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Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by goohle »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #5
blunte wrote: post #4

The "part of our cultural heritage" excuse is not a positive argument, as many cultures have some pretty horrible practices in their heritage. In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. Should they be allowed to capture the Faroe islands and enslave the locals under the guise of "cultural heritage"? Times change, and human society on the whole must change. Cultures that refuse to change can and sometimes shoul…

I agree with the argument you're making, but not with your colonist example. Dolphins, after all, are animals, not people. "Cultural heritage" argument is in a league of its own when it comes to harming humans.

Dolphins are "non-human person". We have no specialized word for creatures like dolphins, but they are not "animals", they are "persons".

https://www.giveindia.org/blog/four-reasons-why-india-recogn...

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by adzm »

blunte wrote: post #4

The "part of our cultural heritage" excuse is not a positive argument, as many cultures have some pretty horrible practices in their heritage. In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. Should they be allowed to capture the Faroe islands and enslave the locals under the guise of "cultural heritage"? Times change, and human society on the whole must change. Cultures that refuse to change can and sometimes shoul…

Additionally they are using modern boats and technology; that is much different.

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Post by jnwatson »

bryan0 wrote: post #11
mcculley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

Neither are Atlantic white-sided dolphins[0]. It does seem weird to me that people would get upset over this but not our own slaughter of hundreds of millions of animals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_white-sided_dolphin

The general argument is that cetaceans are smart and are worthy of more protection.

At the same time, pigs can be pretty smart. Too bad they are made of bacon.

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Post by mc32 »

blunte wrote: post #4

The "part of our cultural heritage" excuse is not a positive argument, as many cultures have some pretty horrible practices in their heritage. In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. Should they be allowed to capture the Faroe islands and enslave the locals under the guise of "cultural heritage"? Times change, and human society on the whole must change. Cultures that refuse to change can and sometimes shoul…

Lots of cultures are allowed quotas by their governments to harvest resources other people aren’t allowed.

One such is the annual Taiji dolphin catch in Japan[1]. But native Alaskans and Canadians have certain rights too.

As long as they don’t contribute to extinction this is better than modern animal husbandry such as veal.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_dolphin_drive_hunt

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by doublerabbit »

schleck8 wrote: post #8

Sounds like quite the barbarian 'culture'. Killing animals for food is one thing, doing it as a hobby for fun is incredibly weird. You can't even eat them i think, so they died for absolutely no reason.

> doing it as a hobby for fun is incredibly weird

Same can be said for Fox Hunting.

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by tasoga »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #5
blunte wrote: post #4

The "part of our cultural heritage" excuse is not a positive argument, as many cultures have some pretty horrible practices in their heritage. In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. Should they be allowed to capture the Faroe islands and enslave the locals under the guise of "cultural heritage"? Times change, and human society on the whole must change. Cultures that refuse to change can and sometimes shoul…

I agree with the argument you're making, but not with your colonist example. Dolphins, after all, are animals, not people. "Cultural heritage" argument is in a league of its own when it comes to harming humans.

Well that's just your cultural upbringing. Maybe my cultural heritage involves cannibalism, after all, humans are just meat as well

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by mlindner »

mcculley wrote: post #7
Grustaf wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, every year in the US 121 million pigs are slaughtered, and they obviously live under much worse conditions. The Faroe Islands have 50000 inhabitants, so even if they did this every year it wouldn't really be very significant. It looks graphical, but if they eat them, which I understand that they do, what is really the problem?

This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

No comment on the pigs argument, but dolphins and pilot whales are not endangered. They're ranked as "least concern".

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by schleck8 »

Loughla wrote: post #16
schleck8 wrote: post #8

Sounds like quite the barbarian 'culture'. Killing animals for food is one thing, doing it as a hobby for fun is incredibly weird. You can't even eat them i think, so they died for absolutely no reason.

>Sounds like quite the barbarian 'culture'. wat You do understand that > Killing animals [. . .] as a hobby [. . .] Is something that happens in most places, right? Hunting exists. It's multi-billion dollar industry. What about hunting defines a culture as barbaric? If it's done within appropriate and ethical legislative or regulatory contexts, and not to endangered or threatened species, what does it matter in defin…

I do understand it, and i think hunting hobby culture is stupid. That's my personal opinion. Go shoot targets if you want to use a rifle, do another sport if you need exercise. Excluding hunting because of vast overpopulation etc

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Post by okokwhatever »

throwaway59553 wrote: post #9
blunte wrote: post #4

The "part of our cultural heritage" excuse is not a positive argument, as many cultures have some pretty horrible practices in their heritage. In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. Should they be allowed to capture the Faroe islands and enslave the locals under the guise of "cultural heritage"? Times change, and human society on the whole must change. Cultures that refuse to change can and sometimes shoul…

>In fact, some cultures were successful colonists. And those cultures are very proud to have been more technological advanced than the colonized and had the vision to conquer and spread civilization. I'd google for "Black Legend" if I were you. >I suspect they would suddenly decide to leave some practices in the past. That's very naive, you just have to look around a bit to see that many cultures don't really care if…

This comment of you indicates a lack of knowledge on so many things and it predicates the marketing campaigns we've been suffering for centuries. It would be better to educate yourself about history and the relations between colonialist empires before trying to sound smart.

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #10

I find hard to believe that you accidentally murder at least 1400 dolphings while thinking it's 200 maximum. Ridiculous. Ridiculously cruel.

This thing is even more sad if we take in to account that a lot of this corpses are going to just rot.
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