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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to quickly add some explanation to that stance, before getting voted off the island?

>before getting voted off the island? Come on now

This happens often. A shitty opinion is usually down voted but at some point, if nobody's replied yet, then nobody can point out in words how shitty that opinion is, or prompt them for some further explanation.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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It makes me sad that FF browser share has continued to decline steadily. The past couple years of releases have been some its the best in terms of my own UX, since perhaps the Phoenix era. It's pretty fast these days, the UI is good, has a lot of great extensions and privacy features. I use Brave at work to have a better chrome-based experience with gsuite. It's also a fast, excellent browser with good privacy featur…

I still ask myself: has FF browser share actually dropped that much, or has FF's privacy focus caused browser share estimates to mostly miss FF users in their counts? Most of these stats come from the exact kind of skeevy companies that I (and many other FireFox users) are using FireFox to avoid.

Firefox users avoiding those tracking sites would result in an always low user share, it would not really explain the user share dropping. Maybe an increase in privacy minded users could explain a percent or two, but not most of the drop.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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post #2

It makes me sad that FF browser share has continued to decline steadily. The past couple years of releases have been some its the best in terms of my own UX, since perhaps the Phoenix era. It's pretty fast these days, the UI is good, has a lot of great extensions and privacy features. I use Brave at work to have a better chrome-based experience with gsuite. It's also a fast, excellent browser with good privacy featur…

> FF browser share has continued to decline steadily Is that really a fact though? I read somewhere that >80% FF users have Ad Blocker installed. Wouldn't that keep it hidden to Google Analytics and similar outfits that come up with browser usage stats?

HTTP servers can still see the clients' user agent strings.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still ask myself: has FF browser share actually dropped that much, or has FF's privacy focus caused browser share estimates to mostly miss FF users in their counts? Most of these stats come from the exact kind of skeevy companies that I (and many other FireFox users) are using FireFox to avoid.

Unfortunately that's not a likely explanation. If you do even the simplest possible measurement, which is just recording user agent strings and IPs, you won't end up undercounting Firefox clients

Either uBlock Origin or Matrix comes with user agent spoofing, it's not like the practice is that rare.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Are the three headline features important to you? They are:

- Picture in Picture

- Expanded Dark Mode

- DNS over HTTPs

I really like Firefox, but features like this are not going to cause people to switch browsers. I'm pretty sure most end users would never even notice them. DNS over HTTPs is actually a bit of a pain if you want to host your own DNS.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FF browser share has continued to decline steadily Is that really a fact though? I read somewhere that >80% FF users have Ad Blocker installed. Wouldn't that keep it hidden to Google Analytics and similar outfits that come up with browser usage stats?

whatsmybrowser.org returns firefox for me with some privacy plugins and ublock origin installed

it even knows the exact version of firefox I'm running (92.0)

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Are the three headline features important to you? They are: - Picture in Picture - Expanded Dark Mode - DNS over HTTPs I really like Firefox, but features like this are not going to cause people to switch browsers. I'm pretty sure most end users would never even notice them. DNS over HTTPs is actually a bit of a pain if you want to host your own DNS.

Most end users would never host their own DNS. Perhaps there’s a different benefit to them from the feature?
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