Rural hospital full of clearly unqualified medical staff. Who cares? I would not want my wife giving birth there covid or not.
Would you rather she give birth on her own?
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Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#22What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
> ostracism
That seems like the appropriate peaceable response by a society to someone choosing to become a potential walking threat to all those around them.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#23What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably understands why second hand smoking and drunk driving are bad cannot transfer the same logic to being unvaccinated in the midst of a deadly and contagious plague.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#24Side story:
In the school district where I work all employees are now required to be vaccinated or take a weekly test.
Our district hired a nurse to do weekly testing in the district main office to any employees that were not vaccinated.
The day before we were to begin testing the state informed us we are not allowed to test on our own premises.
Employees must schedule their own covid test on their own time. It also must be the full long nasal test (not the outer swap or spit test).
So now we have lots of bus drivers, food service workers, and maintenance staff who will resign since they don’t have the time, money or transportation to get their own weekly tests.
Something is amiss in the world right now. It really seems like plans, expectations, regulations are constantly shifting ….almost like by design to cause systems/organizations to fail.
Sorry for long comment just frustrated on the shifting protocols and shifting narratives.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#25What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.
"Perhaps does not need the vaccine", even if debatable, is still less good than "is vaccinated".
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.
I’ve heard that many (most?) hospitals require that staff either wears a mask or gets the flu shot every year. Do these hospitals waive that requirement for people if they come down with the flu?
My previous employer was a healthcare system. Despite my role as a software developer working in an office nowhere near patients, I was required to get the flu vaccine (which was fine with me). These sorts of mandates are nothing new for healthcare workers.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#27What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
Also consider that caregivers in maternity departments are predominantly women, so there may be cause for reluctance if they would like to have children in future and the concerns over fertility side-effects hold any water. If you are family-oriented yourself, you would understand that the bar for jeopardizing this future is extremely high.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#28What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
"Ostracism", meaning quarantine? Seems like a reasonable measure to take.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#29What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.
From the CDC:
"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:
* Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
* Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again."
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you are wondering if Covid might be the one and only virus in history where antibodies don't work?
How many colds have you had?
Cold only very rarely kills babies. If we're going to do analogies then let's go all the way.
Here on HN there was an article about how people who got through Covid were much more resistant to catching it again, compared to those who got a vaccine. It's almost as if their immune systems actually work!
I despair for the people who got surprised by this, as if our immune systems became a thing only during the last 2 years. And this forum is supposed to be full of educated people.
All this virtue signaling around having to take experimental vaccines is becoming very tiring.