Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

join-lemmy.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 227 posts

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#21

Post by ggm »

darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

Society as a whole, consistently tends to be more left wing than people appreciate. If you survey people in private, they show both selfish and collectivist opinions. In public, in some economies, declaring the collectivist view is harder. Collectivism, is essentially "left wing". It's the sense there is some basic equity out there, nobody "deserves" more (or less) than the individual. (obviously this is modulated by reality, economic and political)

I like to believe 'we' are in a real majority. The point is the same, even if this isn't true: It's not some mythic 50/50 world, and there is no phantom "equity" out there which is a "balance" between libertarian-right, centerist and left views.

Apes, penguins, take your pick. Collectivism is out there. Its a basic model. I'd call it "herd mentality" but that tends to have negative connotations. Sure, there are apex elements in collectivism. It doesn't undermine the main thesis: There is more collectivism, essential left-wing thinking, than a lot of people credit.

In the US, because of individualism, this is often ignored. The belief "most" people in the US simply want to a) be left alone to b) sink or swim on their own and c) pay less taxes is a bit distorted. Really? They just want c).

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#22

Post by unraveller »

ddingus wrote: post #5
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

The creators say they don't want people not of their ilk joining so this idea that open debate is welcome is disingenuous. They don't allow anyone to federate with the main instance either if they don't also toe the political line.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#23

Post by jayd16 »

fcklckdwns wrote: post #18
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being rapidly downvoted but to play devil's advocate I wonder if you could explain why you think "American leftism" is "disturbing".

The "American leftism" that promotes universal healthcare and reining in Wall Street is shared by a large chunk of the population of Western nations. The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. Hope that clarifies it.

Er, hmm, circumcision is very common. Maybe you mean something else?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#24

Post by kieselguhr_kid »

darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

I mean, there is a large (by Lemmy standards) Leninist server, which is indeed pretty left. But the idea that Leninism is widely embraced by the contemporary American left is a bit hysterical.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#25

Post by fulafel »

guerrilla wrote: post #10
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

You mean lemmy.ml? All I see is a bunch of science, privacy and climate stuff right now.

Sounds like themes counter to the american right.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#26

Post by smt88 »

fcklckdwns wrote: post #18
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being rapidly downvoted but to play devil's advocate I wonder if you could explain why you think "American leftism" is "disturbing".

The "American leftism" that promotes universal healthcare and reining in Wall Street is shared by a large chunk of the population of Western nations. The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. Hope that clarifies it.

> The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space.

This is utter nonsense and fear-mongering. There is no organized movement promoting changing genitals of 3-year-olds.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#27

Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

jayd16 wrote: post #23
fcklckdwns wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "American leftism" that promotes universal healthcare and reining in Wall Street is shared by a large chunk of the population of Western nations. The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. Hope that clarifies it.

Er, hmm, circumcision is very common. Maybe you mean something else?

My understanding is that the far left is anti-circumcision.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#28

Post by [deleted] »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

You're being rapidly downvoted but to play devil's advocate I wonder if you could explain why you think "American leftism" is "disturbing".

[deleted]
Post reply on HN