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We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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> Fortunately, it’s difficult to have too much protein. While we do have an upper limit of protein intake, it’s “virtually impossible” to reach, says Tipton. “There are concerns among some dieticians that a high protein diet can hurt the kidneys and bones, but evidence in otherwise healthy people is minimal.

That's all I really need to know. Of the big 3 macros, I "trust" carbs the least, then fat, then protein. There's bad carbs - sugars and simple starches, and bad fats - trans fats and long saturated fats, with cholesterol being iffy, but are there "bad proteins" outside of their associated fats?

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

Excess protein gets you just as fat as excess carbs or fat does. The only difference is people tend to think of protein as more essential even if it’s just being used as energy.

1000 of each isn’t obviously excessive of any one but without exercise you will get fat.

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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This isn't really about protein, just how ultra-processed, high-carb candy bars are masquerading as protein. Good quality protein is necessary and healthy, and as we age we actually need more of it, not less.

I learned that any 'health' bars with 12+ grams of carbs are just candy. Yet all except one was over that limit. The exception was 5g yet had sugar alcohol (artifical sweetener?) putting the real number at 20g. So maybe those bars are intended as whole meal replacement? If so it's not clear on the labels.

Sugar alcohols are not artificial sweeteners. Some, like erythritol, are a byproduct of fermentation. They usually don't "count" as carbs because they are not fully digested. They act more like fibers.

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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post #22

Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

Excess protein gets you just as fat as excess carbs or fat does. The only difference is people tend to think of protein as more essential even if it’s just being used as energy. 1000 of each isn’t obviously excessive of any one but without exercise you will get fat.

It's more costly to turn protein into glucose, though.

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

I’m a bit dubious of the articles core claim that excess protein is wasteful - the alternative of excess fat/carbs is wasteful and harmful.

I don’t use any sports supplements but I do try to prioritize my diet in terms of protein > fat > carbs. It’s tough to find unprocessed protein sources that aren’t at least somewhat healthy. Even red meat provides a great iron source at 1 8 oz filet every week or 2.

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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TFA curiously asks questions about what the body really needs, in order to investigate a processed food category from an industry that spends billions on advertising and technology designed to make people eat more than they need for only one reason - to generate profits for manufacturers.

What the body really needs is not processed foods, which are loaded with salt, sugar, and fat [0, 1]. Processed foods are what the world's largest food corporations need you to buy in order to generate profits that feed their businesses.

What the body needs is fresh foods - fruits, vegetables, grains, pulses, nuts and meat.

[0] https://www.penguin.com.au/books/salt-sugar-fat-978144813387...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATmXufOvIk

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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post #22

Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

Excess protein gets you just as fat as excess carbs or fat does. The only difference is people tend to think of protein as more essential even if it’s just being used as energy. 1000 of each isn’t obviously excessive of any one but without exercise you will get fat.

Well, not really. This all depends on other factors as well. For example, how much glucose is stored at the moment of the food intake. If you are full of glucose, any fat will go straight to the fat deposits. Carbs, if the stores are full, will be converted to body fat in a calorie surplus, up to 25percent, depending on genetics. If glucogen stores are empty, fat won't get stored easily. And carbs will not be converted to fat until the stores are full. And the most important, carbs are metabolized very fast, especially sugars. Fats are relatively slow, protein takes forever and gives you a fullness sensation much sooner than the other macros. Try to eat 500gramm of cake(400grams of carbs give or take) and then try to eat 1.3 kilos of tuna in water, 400gramms of protein, give or take.

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

I read somewhere that the human intestines are not well fitted to digest protein (as we are omnivorous). They start to "rot" as soon as digestive fluids attack them. So the proteins are correctly absorbed in the first meters. After that, the proteins are just wastes going downward (can't find the source back sr).

That's why carnivorous have short but large intestines: they digest proteins as quickly as possible before they turn useless.

Maybe a key point is to span a large amount of proteins intake across several hours (as bodybuilders do, if I am not mistaken).

Re: We don’t need nearly as much protein as we consume

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Required Protein intake depends on many other factors. Carbs are protein preserving. If someone does a lot of weight lifting and or really hard cardio and is on a low carb diet, they will have an elevated protein requirement, else the body will simply consume its own proteins, aka muscle and tendon tissue, you don't want that. For the average Joe with a sitting job and zero sports activity and a regular no care diet,…

Weightlifting concerns aside (I think a man's need to look good is a very legitimate concern) very high protein is linked to decreased life expectancy and cancer. So even if it doesn't cause belly flop it's still not healthy.
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