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Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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Rant: Whenever I read the words “pay their fair share” when it comes to tax I stop reading, it’s clear the author doesn’t think for themselves.

The goal posts of what is fair are so arbitrary/subjective as to have no meaning when it come to taxes.

Just say what is happening, one group (rightly or wrongly) wants another group to bear more of the burden for paying for something.

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Would also add there is an miles travelled does not equate to time on the road (highway vs local driving) and state funding has biases as well (highway vs local roads, urban vs rural infrastructure)

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

True, but roads decay even in the absence of use. So, there's a cost involved in just having the road available and in good shape; that cost should be shared by all users.

100%.

But do you take into account how much road use is consumed, and what type of roads, and where they are?

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

#24

I'm not a transportation or tech expert, but the idea that detailing in law the protection of user data will somehow make it come true is absurd. This said, not sure what the alternative is. From the article: One challenge may be convincing drivers there’s a benefit to installing a mileage tracking system in their vehicle and easing any privacy concerns about the device creating a data trail showing where they’ve bee…

It's better than what happens in most of Europe where governments automatically track your vehicle's movements through cameras. At least you have a choice (for now).

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

#25
post #8

The general idea of charging road users partly in proportion to miles traveled makes a lot of sense. But why, every time this is proposed, do people talk about fancy tracking mechanisms? Why can't we just use odometers? I mean, yes, the odometer cannot measure how much of your mileage is in Virginia versus other states, or how much is on what kinds of roads, but it is so much cheaper to implement that I would expect…

Big trucks use odometers to enforce driver regulations and there is a whole semi-hidden market for tools and fixes that disable the odometers, even electronic ones. Menaing, they are easy to interfere with.

I still agree with the other's posters that tracking is conveniently useful for other things.

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

#26
post #3

> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

If registration fees for large trucks were increased it is likely that the costs would be passed on to the consumer. We would see higher shipping fees and potentially higher prices for goods at stores.

We can debate which we'd rather pay but one way or another the cost would come down to us.

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

#27

I'm not a transportation or tech expert, but the idea that detailing in law the protection of user data will somehow make it come true is absurd. This said, not sure what the alternative is. From the article: One challenge may be convincing drivers there’s a benefit to installing a mileage tracking system in their vehicle and easing any privacy concerns about the device creating a data trail showing where they’ve bee…

Simple solution, take an odometer reading every year and use that, and accept the slop from not knowing how many miles were on restricted access highway vs dirt road vs suburban street.

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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post #26
post #3

> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

If registration fees for large trucks were increased it is likely that the costs would be passed on to the consumer. We would see higher shipping fees and potentially higher prices for goods at stores. We can debate which we'd rather pay but one way or another the cost would come down to us.

True, but I think the question at hand is how do you apportion cost to those most responsible for it

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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post #26
post #3

> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

If registration fees for large trucks were increased it is likely that the costs would be passed on to the consumer. We would see higher shipping fees and potentially higher prices for goods at stores. We can debate which we'd rather pay but one way or another the cost would come down to us.

Having the people in a position to reduce the damage be responsible for the cost means they can make sensible decisions. Right now, for example, it makes sense to ship something much farther so you can have a really cheap distribution center outside of town, even in cases where this is more expensive overall.

Re: Virginia maps out optional per-mile road fee program for 2022 launch

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post #26
post #3

> The goal for the revamped funding system, which also includes a higher gas tax rate and lower baseline vehicle registration fees, is to make sure drivers contribute their fair share to the costs of maintaining the roads they use The "fair share" most small cars - especially fuel efficiency focused designs that remove as much mass as possible - should be paying approximately $0 . Road damage per-axel is proportional…

If registration fees for large trucks were increased it is likely that the costs would be passed on to the consumer. We would see higher shipping fees and potentially higher prices for goods at stores. We can debate which we'd rather pay but one way or another the cost would come down to us.

Wouldn't this be a good economic incentive to buy more locally? Since it sounds like currently shipping costs via trucking are ignoring this externality.
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