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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by fourstar »

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

Of course it is. The media is the enemy and they always will be.

Also see: https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overse...

EDIT: LOL. Uh oh the downvote brigade has started! Keep trying to silence the truth. Also feel free to google Bilderberg group for more enlightment ;)

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Post by willcipriano »

ipnon wrote: post #5
aurizon wrote: post #3

This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

The United States government already pays 2/3rds of healthcare costs.

Another fact along those lines, government spending per capita in the US is on par with European nations. We just receive vastly less services for the same and often more money.

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Post by fallingknife »

haswell wrote: post #13

Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…

It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. People are wise to the game now, and expect that the CDC is saying things to influence behavior, rather than because they are true. Nobody trusts a salesman.

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Post by antattack »

I think it's possible that ivermectin could have positive effect (less hospitalizations) on people with parasites who contracted Covid-19.

After-all a lot of people die not from Covid-19 but from complications from it.

I think the main issue with it's use is, similar to antibiotic resistance, (note that it's not antibiotic or antiviral) overuse will lessen it's effectiveness when needed the most.

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Post by dboreham »

fallingknife wrote: post #14
aurizon wrote: post #3

This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advi…

Perhaps they don't even see a doctor, at least not in the official manner. I know of people who consult medical practitioners in a "black market" fashion because it's so much cheaper (and in some ways more convenient) than the proper medical-industrial-complex way.

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Post by meheleventyone »

fallingknife wrote: post #14
aurizon wrote: post #3

This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advi…

They're saying the upfront costs of healthcare put poor people off going to the doctor at all and leads to distrust of doctors as just being in it for the money. At least that's the way I read it.

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Post by glogla »

aurizon wrote: post #3

This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

We have universal national healthcare here, and people still take ivermectin because (someone on) Facebook told them to. Before that it was Hydroxychloroquine including one major newspaper running articles on how it helps with COVID (which not only it doesn't but it is illegal to run advertisements on pharmaceuticals around here).

So I dunno if US medical system has much to do with it. It seems more like someone weaponized Facebook and other social media to get gullible people to commit mass murder-suicide by refusing vaccinations, masks and taking poison.

Or it's an emergent phenomenon with no master behind it, who knows.

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Post by MattGaiser »

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

The one that Americans would have access to for self treating COVID would be the horse variety unless they found doctors to prescribe them some.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

dboreham wrote: post #16

Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

thats a really weird way of saying "hasn't proven to be effective"
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