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UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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arethuza wrote: post #16
blibble wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean allowed? if the UK wished to retain the bases it would make retaining the land a condition for granting independence, similar to Cyprus this isn't like Article 50 where after 2 years you're out: the nationalists only method to get what they want is by agreeing to Westminster's requiements, in full otherwise Scotland continues to remain part of UK

There is absolutely no way any Scottish government could agree to a long term presence on the Clyde.

then it will remain part of the UK

the nationalists have absolutely no leverage over the UK

if you thought the Brexit negotiations were one sided: you've seen nothing yet

Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Post by Veen »

theonlybutlet wrote: post #19

The current government in the UK was more aligned to the worldviews of Trump's administration. They'll throw shade at the current US administration whenever and wherever they can in an attempt to bolster their own standing which has taken strain. The British public follow US politics very closely.

This is absolute nonsense. First, it was Trump who originally negotiated the Afghanistan withdrawal, and the UK was not in favour then and they are not now. Second, the UK Conservative Party has very little shared ideology with the Trumpian worldview—with the exception of a resistance to identity politics, most Tories have far more in common with centrist Dems than with Republicans of any stripe, still less Trump-style republicanism. Third, although it's often been said, Johnson is not a British Trump—he's an altogether different character and his politics are far to the left of Trump's.

Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Post by Veen »

arethuza wrote: post #16
blibble wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean allowed? if the UK wished to retain the bases it would make retaining the land a condition for granting independence, similar to Cyprus this isn't like Article 50 where after 2 years you're out: the nationalists only method to get what they want is by agreeing to Westminster's requiements, in full otherwise Scotland continues to remain part of UK

There is absolutely no way any Scottish government could agree to a long term presence on the Clyde.

The fact is the UK owns Faslane. An independence referendum doesn't change that fact. A yes vote for independence is not a magic spell that will create a Scottish nation and transfer ownership of UK property to it. There will be a lengthy period of negotiation and transition, and whether the Scots like it or not, they will be by far the weaker partner in those negotiations.

Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Post by arethuza »

Veen wrote: post #23
arethuza wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no way any Scottish government could agree to a long term presence on the Clyde.

The fact is the UK owns Faslane. An independence referendum doesn't change that fact. A yes vote for independence is not a magic spell that will create a Scottish nation and transfer ownership of UK property to it. There will be a lengthy period of negotiation and transition, and whether the Scots like it or not, they will be by far the weaker partner in those negotiations.

And people wonder why so many in Scotland want independence....

Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Post by blibble »

arethuza wrote: post #24
Veen wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact is the UK owns Faslane. An independence referendum doesn't change that fact. A yes vote for independence is not a magic spell that will create a Scottish nation and transfer ownership of UK property to it. There will be a lengthy period of negotiation and transition, and whether the Scots like it or not, they will be by far the weaker partner in those negotiations.

And people wonder why so many in Scotland want independence....

reality's a bitch isn't it

at the point Scotland has voted out (if it ever happens), then the UK has no longer has any interest in what Scotland thinks, and will be as difficult as the EU was in the Brexit negotiations

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Post by [deleted] »

blibble wrote: post #25
arethuza wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And people wonder why so many in Scotland want independence....

reality's a bitch isn't it at the point Scotland has voted out (if it ever happens), then the UK has no longer has any interest in what Scotland thinks, and will be as difficult as the EU was in the Brexit negotiations

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