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Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by runjake »

darkwater wrote: post #12
phire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

Intel NUC or any of the NUC clones produced by other PC manufacturers, like the Gigabyte Brix.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by alfonsodev »

nisegami wrote: post #16
tomxor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also another factor for some of us... Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Is buying a used M1 Mac an option?

I bought my M1 refurbished from Apple, so far zero problems.

https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by OldHand2018 »

darkwater wrote: post #12
phire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

FYI, the Mac Mini M1 has a fan that never turns off. It's very quiet, but it is not 100% silent.

To be fair, it is really hard to get the fan to speed up and make more noise.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by ntnsndr »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

It's good planning ahead for when Apple no longer supports perfectly fine old-ish machines. Both my mother and wife are now using Linux not because their computers broke but because Apple gave up on them.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by speed_spread »

pcdoodle wrote: post #20
nisegami wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is buying a used M1 Mac an option?

I'm in the same boat. If I need one, I'll buy it used.

To add to your torment, sustaining the used market provides additional incentive to those buying new since they know the hardware will preserve its value longer. You'll still be indirectly supporting the company by justifying the value of their products.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by scoopertrooper »

tomxor wrote: post #11
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

There is also another factor for some of us... Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Isn't that a bit extreme? What is Apple doing that is so morally wrong that you can't give them money for a quality product?

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by cguess »

ntnsndr wrote: post #25
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

It's good planning ahead for when Apple no longer supports perfectly fine old-ish machines. Both my mother and wife are now using Linux not because their computers broke but because Apple gave up on them.

How old are their machines? Apple's next MacOS version supports MacBooks Pros going back to 2015. Seven years is a pretty long support cycle.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by blinkingled »

darkwater wrote: post #12
phire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

Asus PN50 - has a good enough IGP too. Runs fairly silent (not dead silent mind you though), has decent power consumption profile and recent Linux kernels are stable on it.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by cesarb »

darkwater wrote: post #12
phire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

Besides the NUC options, there are plenty of options in "tiny PC" form factors (for instance, https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/ has reviews for several models). However, probably none of them will be fanless. If you really want fanless, you should look for industrial PC form factors, which often have to run for years in environment with lots of dust; there are several manufacturers once you start looking at it (for instance, http://www.gigaipc.com/).
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