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Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by endisneigh »

brandall10 wrote: post #20
endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Body types vary widely though. If you’re athletic you may have a strong shoulder to hip drop, getting shirts that are blousy in the midsection. Conversely, if you’re heavy set or short you may get garments that are overly long. Some companies do try to address this to a degree with slim or athletic cuts, and yes a tailor could take you the rest of the way ‘mostly’ there, but the future of clothing is 3D scanning and…

A 3D fitting room isn’t going to solve the issues you mention tho.

I also think what you’re describing could be easily solved with more measurements of clothing you’re considering.

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by tomnipotent »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #9
wombatmobile wrote: post #7

What problem/s does 3D fitting room solve? What problem/s does 3D fitting room introduce?

Presumably what is my number one issue with online clothes shopping, and why I have and never will do it - sizing and perception. 1) Sizing - ordering multiple sizes so you get the right one is not a sustainable or environmentally friendly way of purchasing clothes online. 2) Perception - looking at a good-looking, slim person trying on clothes is not representative of most people. I've seen plenty of clothes look go…

> is not a sustainable or environmentally friendly

These products need to be shipped to the U.S., usually by boat, where freight trucks haul them to warehouses before another set of freight trucks deliver product to storefronts which have giant parking lots next to them so customers can drive their gas cars to park in them. Let's not talk about all the unsold waste.

I'm open to options.

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by ghaff »

endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc.

This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivalent of a tailored suit--even after taking all their measurements, tailors often will make some final adjustments. On the other hand, most people are fine with their day to day polo shirts, T-shirts, and trousers being off the rack without paying double/triple or whatever for customization.

[0] https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by mc32 »

brandall10 wrote: post #20
endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Body types vary widely though. If you’re athletic you may have a strong shoulder to hip drop, getting shirts that are blousy in the midsection. Conversely, if you’re heavy set or short you may get garments that are overly long. Some companies do try to address this to a degree with slim or athletic cuts, and yes a tailor could take you the rest of the way ‘mostly’ there, but the future of clothing is 3D scanning and…

As exemplified by the old threadbase post: https://web.archive.org/web/20160318074519/threadbase.com/un...

The sizes vary within brands themselves.

Traditionally the solution was to get a tailor take your measurements and make a pattern for you and cut from cloth to make you a garment. Obviously, in today's day and age, that gets a bit expensive for most people.

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Post by yeldarb »

endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

A recent 99% Invisible dove into the history of standardized sizing that was really interesting (apparently most of the data on human measurements used in industry comes from US military research): https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by endisneigh »

ghaff wrote: post #23
endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc. This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivale…

Sizing isn't really quantified at all. Brands use vague terms like "Small, Medium, and Large" that aren't even consistent within the brand, and depend on the cut and particular style.

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by geoduck14 »

ghaff wrote: post #23
endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc. This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivale…

>being off the rack without paying double/triple or whatever for customization.

I bought a suit a while back - they tailored it (pants and jacket) for <$20. This is "really expensive" if it is a $10 t-shirt, but not that bad if it is an $80 point-down shirt, and even reasonable if it is a $200 pant/jacket combo

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Post by ghaff »

endisneigh wrote: post #26
ghaff wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc. This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivale…

Sizing isn't really quantified at all. Brands use vague terms like "Small, Medium, and Large" that aren't even consistent within the brand, and depend on the cut and particular style.

Mass-produced clothing sizing is certainly inexact. But the body measurements for an individual are reasonably well specified.

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by ghaff »

geoduck14 wrote: post #27
ghaff wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc. This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivale…

>being off the rack without paying double/triple or whatever for customization. I bought a suit a while back - they tailored it (pants and jacket) for <$20. This is "really expensive" if it is a $10 t-shirt, but not that bad if it is an $80 point-down shirt, and even reasonable if it is a $200 pant/jacket combo

That seems cheap for tailoring in the US. I don't really wear suits or even blazers any longer but, when I did, I'd either get them custom-made in Asia or extensively tailored in the US. Haven't done that for ages though.

I was mostly referring to day-to-day wear that's $10-40 or so off the rack.

Re: Gap acquires 3D fitting room startup Drapr

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

ghaff wrote: post #23
endisneigh wrote: post #13

Personally I don't think the issue is "3D fitting" - the issue is that the sizing and fit of clothes hasn't both been: standardized and quantified. Do both and a 3D fitting room wouldn't be necessary to begin with.

Sizing is pretty quantified. A tailor has specific measurements they make. (Presumably women's clothing is the same.) One problem is that you end up with a huge number of permutations, no one is "average"[0], people have different preferences when it comes to the type of fit, etc. This sort of thing has been being talked about for 20+ years. The problems include that you're probably never going to get to the equivale…

> Sizing is pretty quantified.

Sort of, but it's all fake if you don't have the right QC strictness at manufacture. People like to joke about "fake size numbers" and "S/M/L" and "different style cuts", but forget about that and focus on waist and inseam measurements for a moment.

Men's pants have been labeled with waist and inseam measurements in inches forever, and, differences person to person and brand to brand entirely aside, the same brand of pants in the same style in the same color with the same size label on the same day can have different actual waist circumferences by more than half an inch so that one pair will fit _you_ and another won't fit _you_ because their assembly tolerance is higher than your fit tolerance.

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