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Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by jrockway »

est31 wrote: post #9
jrockway wrote: post #2

That's one way to deal with the counterfeiting problem -- just counterfeit your own devices! It's what the "sort by lowest price first" market demands, I guess.

Is Samsung the lowest price manufacturer? I've thought those are other manufacturers, and Samsung distinguishes itself through quality instead.

Yeah, I think Samsung's consumer SSDs are up there. I have two and they're great. But, there is no "sort by highest quality first" option on Newegg or Amazon, and their happy customers are already happy with their SSDs.

(This is going to digress into reviews being the "sort by quality", but I think we know that reviews aren't very good. The fundamental problem is that most throwaway reviewers don't know how to review something as complex as an SSD. So unless the option on the ecommerce site is "sort by what Anandtech thinks about this", you are probably just sorting by a random and easily-manipulated number.)

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by bserge »

In light of the chip shortages everyone is talking about, I've been scratching my head about all the laptops, desktops and AIOs on the market - there are millions of them, from dozens of manufacturers (or so it seems).

All soldered down but using modern chips from Intel and nVidia, same chips everyone claims are in short supply.

Who is buying these things?

What happens to them when they're not sold?

Where are all the old ones going?

Is anyone even bothering to desolder older generation chips like Intel 9xxx CPUs and nVidia 10xx GPUs and even RAM?

It has always seemed weird to me, but now that building a desktop has become more expensive than it should be it just seems insane.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by b112 »

According to article, all performance tests, and claims, seem to come from one Chinese reviewer.

One person.

If so, this is highly irresponsible. The language (likely, seems to, may be) in the article only highlights this.

There seems to be no attempt to contact Samsung either.

Really?!?

Edit: The cynic in me, wonders of this single review was paid for, to make WD look "less bad".

A review / story with no proof, only one person reporting it, no attempt to contact samsung, and I see many here assume it is 100% verified as true.

Sure takes the heat off of wd a bit...

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by smhost »

jrockway wrote: post #21
est31 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Samsung the lowest price manufacturer? I've thought those are other manufacturers, and Samsung distinguishes itself through quality instead.

Yeah, I think Samsung's consumer SSDs are up there. I have two and they're great. But, there is no "sort by highest quality first" option on Newegg or Amazon, and their happy customers are already happy with their SSDs. (This is going to digress into reviews being the "sort by quality", but I think we know that reviews aren't very good. The fundamental problem is that most throwaway reviewers don't know how to review…

Even if the reviews were good, it still wouldn't be "sort by quality". It would just be how much they liked the thing for the price they paid.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by yellow_lead »

bserge wrote: post #22

In light of the chip shortages everyone is talking about, I've been scratching my head about all the laptops, desktops and AIOs on the market - there are millions of them, from dozens of manufacturers (or so it seems). All soldered down but using modern chips from Intel and nVidia, same chips everyone claims are in short supply. Who is buying these things? What happens to them when they're not sold? Where are all the…

Ones with good GPUs are being bought, chopped/stripped, and sold on eBay / Craigslist. My observation, anyways.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by lvs »

Something doesn't line up here. The "old" model number in the ars piece is given as MZVLB1T0HBLR, which corresponds to a PM981a according to Samsung's website. Was that ever sold as a 970 Evo Plus?

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/ssd/client-ssd/MZVLB1T...

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by gkanai »

b112 wrote: post #24

According to article, all performance tests, and claims, seem to come from one Chinese reviewer. One person. If so, this is highly irresponsible. The language (likely, seems to, may be) in the article only highlights this. There seems to be no attempt to contact Samsung either. Really?!? Edit: The cynic in me, wonders of this single review was paid for, to make WD look "less bad". A review / story with no proof, only…

Samsung has admitted the action and has committed to changing the product model number if this happens again.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by b112 »

gkanai wrote: post #28
b112 wrote: post #24

According to article, all performance tests, and claims, seem to come from one Chinese reviewer. One person. If so, this is highly irresponsible. The language (likely, seems to, may be) in the article only highlights this. There seems to be no attempt to contact Samsung either. Really?!? Edit: The cynic in me, wonders of this single review was paid for, to make WD look "less bad". A review / story with no proof, only…

Samsung has admitted the action and has committed to changing the product model number if this happens again.

Source?

All articles I can find, are just "seemingly" reporting, none confirmed, almost all identical, all based upon one user, like the article from this post.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by llampx »

PixelOfDeath wrote: post #14

With the introduction of QLC consumer SSDs, with worse write endurance and life time but the same price as TLC, I took a look at used enterprise SSDs and never looked back. The only issues is the connectors. You need 8x PCI-E lanes (4x might work) or a SAS connector that nearly no consumer board has.

Do you have any recommendations? How does the price per TB compare?
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