It seems like it would be relatively easy to poison a geofenced area with a mountain of fake data during a crime.
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#22I guess I support this for only "serious crimes". Probably best to limit it to violent crimes against citizens mostly for now (e.g. murder, etc), and then consider expanding it on a case-by-case basis.
It's a slippery slope situation. The same as how an invasive technology would first be used for the worst imaginable offenses that hardly no one would be opposed to. The critical thinkers would recognize the pattern that it's a foot in the door. Saying the ends justify the means in these cases unwittingly endorses the means used for other ends.
It's like saying "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply for serious accusations.
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#23I guess I support this for only "serious crimes". Probably best to limit it to violent crimes against citizens mostly for now (e.g. murder, etc), and then consider expanding it on a case-by-case basis.
It's a slippery slope situation. The same as how an invasive technology would first be used for the worst imaginable offenses that hardly no one would be opposed to. The critical thinkers would recognize the pattern that it's a foot in the door. Saying the ends justify the means in these cases unwittingly endorses the means used for other ends. It's like saying "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply for serious…
this is the slippery slope fallacy, claiming that everything is bad because something worse could be done later. Not allowing warrants is a slippery slope to permitting all murder by making evidence gathering illegal.
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#24The source of the problem is the metrics and motivations are not aligned with keeping the population safe. It is more about self-serving the existence and growth of law enforcement.
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#25> They're called "warrants" but they can't possibly be supported by probable cause. Treating everyone in the area of a suspected crime as a criminal suspect until things can be sorted out inverts this concept.
This not a good faith analysis. Probable cause to make an arrest of a suspect is different for probable cause of a search.
Only the former requires probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that the person in question committed it.
Probable cause for a search means probable cause to believe a crime was committed and that the area to be searched contains relevant evidence. It is the question of whether "there is a fair probability that contraband or evidence of a crime will be found in a particular place." Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213, 214 (1983).
If there was a murder in your neighborhood and your neighbor saw a random person digging a large hole in your back yard and putting a body bag in it, there would be probable cause to search your property without regard to whether you yourself were implicated as a suspect.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop using the cloud? Is this not exactly what I just described as the problem? Governments ruining the ability to hold data safely in online locations? "Stop being an online services company" does not seem like a solution. Being able to provide online services & networks seems to power a vast amount of modernity. A lot of downvotes on my post. But holy shit I have no idea how anyone can see this as anything else.…
I agree with you, but I do believe there's a large cohort of people that either believe that data centers were never trustable, or they believe strongly against any kind of data collection so strongly that there is a hope everything will get pushed back out to user's devices.
Nothings stopping you from doing it voluntary.
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#27> They're called "warrants" but they can't possibly be supported by probable cause. Treating everyone in the area of a suspected crime as a criminal suspect until things can be sorted out inverts this concept. This not a good faith analysis. Probable cause to make an arrest of a suspect is different for probable cause of a search. Only the former requires probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that…
But there would not be probable cause to place GPS trackers on every car in the neighborhood, or wire taps on every phone. Tracking phones and capturing metadata or search results is not investigating the scene of a crime.
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#28Instructions for deleting your location history and disabling location reporting on a Google account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687 It's unclear whether this is enough to prevent a geofence warrant from sweeping up your data. For additional security, an Android user can stop using Google Play Services for geolocation. This can be done by disabling Google Play Services or switching to an Android d…
I suppose it's time to stop carrying tracking devices around with us everywhere we go.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> then their career is only six years old. So they definitely have the Senior Developer title and might even be the lead somewhere.
Pretty much. I was a lead (or the equivalent since titles change) after 5 years way back in the day and I really shouldn't have been. The thing is the job titles are pretty much meaningless as I've never worked two places that had similar criteria for what they considered junior, regular, senior, lead and in some places seniors are leads (if you only have 1 senior on a team of 8 they are a lead, if you have 6 seniors…
When I was working for the Danish government on several standardization projects (basically writing schemas and attending meetings with interested parties to work out syntax) me and a couple other guys chose the title 'XML Architect' as sort of nose-thumbing at the IT architecture division (unfortunately there are stories and reasons there that should probably be kept unshared)
Re: Google: 'Reverse Warrants' Becoming Law Enforcement's Go-To Investigative Tool
#30Instructions for deleting your location history and disabling location reporting on a Google account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687 It's unclear whether this is enough to prevent a geofence warrant from sweeping up your data. For additional security, an Android user can stop using Google Play Services for geolocation. This can be done by disabling Google Play Services or switching to an Android d…
With the documentation Snowden made available
about the cooperation between Google (and others)
and the national intelligence services I tend to
doubt that such things are ever really deleted.