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Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ayahuasca is a much longer, heavier application (drink vs smoke) of DMT + MAOI, so you have had a taste. I have also had everything in your list too. D is one of the few drugs I deeply deeply fear/respect, and folks should not take this lightly. The spirit molecule is nothing to be trifled with.

I’ve never heard of “D” but I know from experience actual proper LSD is not to be taken lightly either.

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Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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I've tried every psy except Ayahuasca: DMT, LSD, Bromo-DragonFLY, RC's from the 2c family, ketamine, MDMA, and so on. In each case, I had "profound" realizations during the experience that lasted a day or two, then I reverted back to my normal ways of being depressed in a messy apartment and slacking at my job. In this article, I see descriptors of Ayahuasca similar to those of other psychedelics (years of therapy in…

Yes

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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I've tried every psy except Ayahuasca: DMT, LSD, Bromo-DragonFLY, RC's from the 2c family, ketamine, MDMA, and so on. In each case, I had "profound" realizations during the experience that lasted a day or two, then I reverted back to my normal ways of being depressed in a messy apartment and slacking at my job. In this article, I see descriptors of Ayahuasca similar to those of other psychedelics (years of therapy in…

From what friends have described, it is very different. I’ve seen it transform a number of lives, including one guy who started out with a single visit to Peru to do it and the decided to live there permenantly. I think context matters as well — these people were all doing it as a group to accomplish something with a shaman, and not just for fun at a rave or whatever.

Did he move there to continue the use? How is that different from an addiction?

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

Caveat: I'm not a medical professional. But it's something I've spent tons of time wondering about myself. Personally, I think isolation is what kicked it off widespread. Humans are social creatures, always have been. And now we go to work, come home to our AC, watch TV alone or at best with a family member. And many of us don't even get the social interaction of work anymore.

Add to that the stress of work. Then the stress of politics, then the stress of social media, and now, lockdowns and doom/gloom news. It's no wonder people are at wits end.

Isolation is what media and tech companies want, as it means you'll spend more time 'engaging.' Keep checking your feed while watching the 24h news cycle. And in doing so further alienating people from one another.

I have no idea how this is resolved, but it certainly doesn't seem sustainable.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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post #15

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

I think that's a key reason for the rise of the wellness industry, the commercialisation of mindfulness and stoicism, as they provide a less chemicall dependent means of dealing with stress.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

With all due respect you’re completely wrong. People have inhabited Vermont for thousands of years.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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post #15

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

If I did not need to live in the modern world, I would not take drugs for my mental health. Unfortunately we’ve developed a world where at best nuerodivergent people face discrimination to at worst imprisonment in mental facilities and potentially even death (I have a family member who died from electro shock therapy in a mental hospital.)

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

Vermont's weather is similar to Northern Europe, much of the rest of North America, and Japan. What's your point?

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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post #15

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

Well, yes!

I feel you are an alternative-perception deprived individual.

It is an essential component of the human experience that we must at least try to understand the nature of perception, and experiment with our consciousness. There is nothing seriously wrong with this, except societies (and the State) condemnation of human nature.

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