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“We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Re: “We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

mikecoles wrote: post #14
ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #8

Given that rationing care is inevitable, it's time to start prioritizing vaccinated individuals, those unable to get vaccinated, and non-COVID patients when doing triage and allocating ICU beds. If individuals refuse to get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances that if I get into a car accident I don't get care. This is literally the definition of a negative externality, and it's very easy to internalize this e…

The poor decisions people make in every other portion of their lives in overlooked for social services. Why start here?

Because the intent behind refusing to treat anti-vaxxers isn’t meant to be punitive, it’s meant to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system.

Re: “We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Post by solarmist »

nradov wrote: post #16
ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #8

Given that rationing care is inevitable, it's time to start prioritizing vaccinated individuals, those unable to get vaccinated, and non-COVID patients when doing triage and allocating ICU beds. If individuals refuse to get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances that if I get into a car accident I don't get care. This is literally the definition of a negative externality, and it's very easy to internalize this e…

And if you were driving even 1 mph over the speed limit when you got into that car accident then the hospital should kick you out of the ICU, right? After all it's your own fault for engaging in risky behavior. Then next we can kick out any HIV/AIDS and hepatitis C patients who were infected through unprotected sex or sharing needles. Etc. Due to the EMTALA hospitals with emergency rooms are legally required to treat…

He said prioritize not deny care. This is something hospitals and medical workers have always done.

Re: “We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Post by swiley »

lugged wrote: post #10
cinntaile wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only looked at the 20 or so comments at the top and I did not find what you describe. The reply by DaveSimmons is a low point but it's not even close to unhinged blind frothing rage.

> Send the national guard door to door with medics to force vaccinations on the antivax cretins in the hot zones. > Oh wait, the Republican governors are busy outlawing mask mandates. > Keep piling up the bodies on the altar of Trump then I guess. More blood for the blood god! Yeesh.

One thing people forget is that some of these hospitals are firing workers for not getting vaccinated which means fewer ICU beds.

Re: “We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Post by swiley »

ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #8

Given that rationing care is inevitable, it's time to start prioritizing vaccinated individuals, those unable to get vaccinated, and non-COVID patients when doing triage and allocating ICU beds. If individuals refuse to get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances that if I get into a car accident I don't get care. This is literally the definition of a negative externality, and it's very easy to internalize this e…

As someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine: I would prefer this. Let us make the decision and deal with the consequences.

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Post by mrlonglong »

swiley wrote: post #24
ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #8

Given that rationing care is inevitable, it's time to start prioritizing vaccinated individuals, those unable to get vaccinated, and non-COVID patients when doing triage and allocating ICU beds. If individuals refuse to get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances that if I get into a car accident I don't get care. This is literally the definition of a negative externality, and it's very easy to internalize this e…

As someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine: I would prefer this. Let us make the decision and deal with the consequences.

Your right not to get vaccinated stops at my right not to get infected by idiots^Wpeople like you. Get off your high horse and get vaxxed now. If you can't stay away from people

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Post by swiley »

mrlonglong wrote: post #25
swiley wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine: I would prefer this. Let us make the decision and deal with the consequences.

Your right not to get vaccinated stops at my right not to get infected by idiots^Wpeople like you. Get off your high horse and get vaxxed now. If you can't stay away from people

I almost never go outside. Also, the vaccines are pretty ineffective against the new variants anyway.

I followed all the rules for a year and it looks like 1 it really didn't help much and 2 the virus isn't nearly as deadly as people thought. This isn't fucking polio, it's a bad cold.

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Post by nradov »

mrlonglong wrote: post #25
swiley wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who doesn't want to take the vaccine: I would prefer this. Let us make the decision and deal with the consequences.

Your right not to get vaccinated stops at my right not to get infected by idiots^Wpeople like you. Get off your high horse and get vaxxed now. If you can't stay away from people

I fully support vaccination, but you have no legal right to be protected from infection. It appears nowhere in the US Constitution. And while the vaccines are very effective at preventing death they are only marginally effective at preventing contagion.

The reality is that SARS-CoV-2 is now endemic in the worldwide human population. So you're almost certainly going to get infected eventually regardless of what others do.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

Tarsul wrote: post #4
redsymbol wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I have loved Ars for years. But its community has taken a dark turn.

I can't blame them. They are raging against irresponsible republican government (and gullible people).

These are the sort of people have profiles with "be kind" on them, and constantly congratulate themselves for being tolerant and inclusive (unlike the angry fearful intolerant divisive subhuman others).

Re: “We are set on a path that looks disastrous”: Alabama hospitals near collapse

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Post by throwawaylinux »

ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #8

Given that rationing care is inevitable, it's time to start prioritizing vaccinated individuals, those unable to get vaccinated, and non-COVID patients when doing triage and allocating ICU beds. If individuals refuse to get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances that if I get into a car accident I don't get care. This is literally the definition of a negative externality, and it's very easy to internalize this e…

Have you looked at rates of vaccination, infection, hospitalization and death, and vaccine hesitancy by race or ethnic background? If not, do you stand by this comment after you have looked at some of that data?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #28
Tarsul wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't blame them. They are raging against irresponsible republican government (and gullible people).

These are the sort of people have profiles with "be kind" on them, and constantly congratulate themselves for being tolerant and inclusive (unlike the angry fearful intolerant divisive subhuman others ).

Kindness and tolerance has its limits.
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