Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's surprising to me is that, at least with Comcast, there's simply no way to get the cap-free service I had before. I don't have the option to pay more to remove the cap (other than paying per gigabyte over the cap, which is silly).
Business service?
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#22Cringely doesn't mention ISPs' claims that they will increase the caps every year. I'm willing to wait for them to renege before breaking out the torches and pitchforks.
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#23IP transit costs are what a carrier or ISP would pay to get traffic from their main datacenter/CO in a given metro area to the Internet. This is an operating expense and is a drop in the bucket compared to CapEx they spend on the last mile.
The cable operators and mobile carriers are freaking out because they are constantly pouring money into nodes splits and QAM carriers(cable) or radios, backhaul, and spectrum(mobile). These are the real money pits of their businesses and their motivation to enforce data transfer caps, throttling, etc.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Business service?
You might be onto something. Whenever I go through the available plans on Comcast's website, I'm sure it's only showing residential plans. I've never looked into business plans. My guess is they would be very expensive, and offer unneeded features like a static IP.
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#25Original article was posted here yesterday: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2814917
Cross-posting my question from this thread:
Is this spectrum encumbered by any regulations that would prevent an enterprising individual from leasing some land near a backbone connection and setting up a startup ISP?
Would LOVE to see the regional cable monopolies face real competition. 22Mbps is about 30% more downstream and 4000% more upstream speed than I get from Time Warner Cable in NYC.
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#26Cringely doesn't mention ISPs' claims that they will increase the caps every year. I'm willing to wait for them to renege before breaking out the torches and pitchforks.
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#27The default 2Gb wireless internet cap from Verizon is pathetic. It is even more pathetic with their 4G network advertisement. All it takes is 1(maybe 2) HD movies from Netflix to hit a monthly cap.
Just playing devil's advocate here... Is the wireless cap really a bad thing? I have a 2GB cap right now. I still stream music, surf and watch the occasional YouTube video. I haven't gotten close to the cap yet. I pay about as much as I did for "unlimited" and the biggest impact is that I now keep track of how much data I'm using. Yeah, it's annoying. It's easier to have unlimited and not have to think about it. But…
Do you have any evidence of how common this behavior is or what impact it actually has on the network?
ISPs claim that the vast majority of their users won't be affected by data caps, but they also claim that heavy users significantly degrade performance for everyone. Those two statements usually seem contradictory to me.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's surprising to me is that, at least with Comcast, there's simply no way to get the cap-free service I had before. I don't have the option to pay more to remove the cap (other than paying per gigabyte over the cap, which is silly).
Business service?
EDIT: I don't know what the advertised rates were, but they were less (20/5?).
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
the 2-5 GB caps are for wireless networks, aka 3G. How often do you download HD movies onto your phone? In the very next sentence it mentions 250 GB for desktop connections.
Netflix client has been out on Android phone OS for awhile and is quite popular. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=pla... Default data plan for smart phone is $30/mo, capped at 2Gb/mo, on a 4G network. Their maximum cap is 10Gb/mo for an outrageous price of $80/mo. It is evident that the whole point of 4G network for Verizon is to bring their customer to the monthly cap at a blazing speed and s…
"Everything is amazing, and nobody is happy." --Louis C.K.
It used to be the case that you couldn't get ANYTHING approaching 5mbps download speed in your home. Now we regularly get 15, 25, and even 50mbps download speeds.
You also couldn't get decent wireless data. Remember EDGE? 1xRTT? Try streaming Netflix back then.
I remember Airphone and using a MODEM to get 9600bps data so I could send an urgent IM and followup email via the Airphone on a flight to a co-worker. Now I can get GoGo inflight internet pretty regularly. I'm looking forward to my next transatlantic on Lufthansa when I can have access to the Internet for almost the entire flight.
Need high-speed internet out in the middle of NOWHERE? You can get two-way high-speed Internet via satellite for a very reasonable sum.
It's all amazing and nobody is happy.
I've spent the past 20 years working in the Internet industry for almost EVERY major ISP out there. It's quite disheartening to see your router capacities double every two years when you're locked into a 7-year depreciation cycle for network hardware. Ditto for long-haul transmission.
This wireless is different? Maybe you weren't there for the tower space leasing negotiations I witnessed. You think broadband is expensive? Try sticking 3 antennas along with hardline 150' up a pole and tell me that your broadband is expensive when you see the monthly bill for tower leasing for a SINGLE site.
WOW.
The long term trend for high-speed internet pricing is DOWN. We get more and more downstream and upstream capacity per dollar with each passing year. Wired AND wireless. What was once IMPOSSIBLY expensive is only going to get less so in the future.
I used to pay $12.80 PER HOUR for 1200bps access.
BTW, You're Welcome.
Too expensive? Don't pay it. I think you can still get a 56kb modem on Ebay. Dialup ISP service is something like $7.95/mo now.
And that's in 2011 dollars.