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Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

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Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

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Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

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Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

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Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

Not sure why my comments are getting flagged, but I read that nuclear family units came.about in Europe/England in the 13th century. It's not a modern creation, but for some reason everyone thinks they are.

Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

The nuclear family is an artifice probably promoted by suburban land developers and durable goods manufacturers during the 40s and 50s or something. Humans naturally live in extended families three or more generations deep.

Gee, yesterday I was just reading in Hegel's Philosophy of Right that properly speaking the nuclear family is the family.

I can't speak to other countries, but the United States has tended to be unusually mobile. That can make the extended family household hard to maintain.

Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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I wish I were more sympathetic. But this generation: - had cheap housing for years - lived through a strong American economy - had relatively cheap access to education - had a cheaper tax burden - many of them have pensions that are paid for by today’s workers - spent most of their lives polluting the earth and not putting money aside for the cleanup Not sure what other advantages this generation wants?

They're called the 'me generation' for a very valid reason...

Because people took Tom Wolfe way too seriously?

Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Here in Germany around Munich we have quite a few cooperative communities for retirees where retired people live together, take care of each other, with some assistance from nursing staff or food delivery and so on if it's needed. From what I have heard it works very well, is much more dignified because elderly people can take care of themselves, keeps people active and is significantly cheaper. Lots of the crisis ar…

There are some co-housing/intentional communities in the US but it's quite rare. The one I visited a couple of years ago had several what we would call townhouses surrounding a common area and a community center building in the center with a meeting area and a large community kitchen. The people I met who lived there were of all different ages from people with young children to retired folks in their 70s. There was a community garden area and even a small wooded area with a creek. Some of the residents were even doing beekeeping with a community hive. It seemed really nice, but, as I said, it's a rare living arrangement here.

Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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Here in Germany around Munich we have quite a few cooperative communities for retirees where retired people live together, take care of each other, with some assistance from nursing staff or food delivery and so on if it's needed. From what I have heard it works very well, is much more dignified because elderly people can take care of themselves, keeps people active and is significantly cheaper. Lots of the crisis ar…

Do you have a negative opinion of the nuclear family?

I do. The nuclear family only works with a stay-at-home wife, a husband capable of always being employed with enough income to support four people (two adults, two kids, and a dog), and magically no one ever gets sick.

If one of those two providers gets sick or leaves, the system collapses. Either a maid or a pension (or both) is needed, and those are entirely outside the reach of the vast majority of Americans.

A more robust, anti-fragile system would involve support from either an extended family to help when things get hard, or a meaningfully robust set of public programs. The nuclear family has no support from extended family by default, and the public programs have been largely removed (as the article states).

The idea that nuclear families work is a lie. They don’t scale due to fragility.

Re: Getting old is a crisis more and more Americans can’t afford

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They're called the 'me generation' for a very valid reason...

Because people took Tom Wolfe way too seriously?

Perhaps, but you can see it with your own eyes. I hate generalizations as much as the next guy...but look at the change milenials ushered in. When I was a kid, it was unheard of for companies to have 'missions', nobody cared about recycling or the climate, etc.

As much flak as they get, I think milenials and whatever the gen after them are seem to be way more caring of others than the generations that preceded them.

I'm something like a xenial, so I don't group myself in well with them even.

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