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WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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Post by misnome »

Razengan wrote: post #19
zpeti wrote: post #3

I really hope there is enough momentum to stop this. It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. I haven't bought a new iphone for 4 years, I'm slowly trying to switch to a lightphone (non smartphone). My mac needs a change but I will probably switch to linux. It's absolutely ridiculous what apple has become. The exact opposite of what they used to represent, when I loved them. God rest Steve Jo…

This reads like a pre-prepared rant. > It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. Uhh and where else will you go where the grass is so much rosier privacy-wise?

> I'm slowly trying to switch to a lightphone (non smartphone)

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Post by modernerd »

rmvt wrote: post #17
fjfaase wrote: post #15

I understand that the EU is working on legislation that would make Apple's Child Safety plan manditory on all private communication platforms within the EU.

that's awful. do you have a source on this?

See https://european-pirateparty.eu/child-protection-through-sca....

> Not only searches for known pictures and videos are to be legalised, but also error-prone “artificial intelligence”, for example to automatically search text messages for “luring” of minors. If an algorithm reports a suspected message, message content and customer data could be automatically forwarded to law enforcement agencies and non-governmental organizations worldwide without human examination.

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Post by neilv »

zpeti wrote: post #3

I really hope there is enough momentum to stop this. It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. I haven't bought a new iphone for 4 years, I'm slowly trying to switch to a lightphone (non smartphone). My mac needs a change but I will probably switch to linux. It's absolutely ridiculous what apple has become. The exact opposite of what they used to represent, when I loved them. God rest Steve Jo…

I blew my entire weekend trying to move off iPhone, to something more trustworthy (a problem that's getting harder, because of some other things going on): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28111995

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Post by dspillett »

amelius wrote: post #16
hughrr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No but they just refuse to service your updates without this enabled.

Even security updates?

Probably, at least until someone successfully gets a court to say otherwise, by which time it'll be irrelevant because everyone will either have installed & enabled it to get the updates or (less likely given how entrenched many iDevice users have become) moved to other products.

And after the case to stop them refusing security updates for those without it installed+enabled, there will need to be another one to force them to allow it to be disabled, then a few circuits around the court of public tattle to make it really disable and not magically re-enable itself at random intervals.

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Post by ip_addr »

amelius wrote: post #22
fjfaase wrote: post #15

I understand that the EU is working on legislation that would make Apple's Child Safety plan manditory on all private communication platforms within the EU.

How would that work on a Linux phone?

If you upload a file to email/a messenger service it would then scan the image.

Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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Post by mkl95 »

I find this controversy kind of vexing. Apple crossed the line between being strongly opinionated and patronising years ago. There's nothing about this plan that is out of character, Apple have and will continue making unilateral decisions on behalf of their users because it's their shtick.

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Post by hutzlibu »

zpeti wrote: post #8
hughrr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s too late either way. The fact that it even got this far through implementation says the vendor is not on my side. Not only that once capability is revealed it can be required by governments and manipulated under warrant. Particularly in some regimes, mine included, the vendor can be compelled to do something and not say anything. My comment doesn’t even cover how monumentally flawed the entire thing is either. S…

Great to hear someone else is doing the same. For me the biggest issue is I have young kids and the convienence of quick photo taking is good on a smartphone. Might look into pinephone or something similar.

"Might look into pinephone or something similar."

Pinephone is my hope, too, but do not expect anything stable soon. That will take some time, probably years. It does not happen on its own, though, they need support now to make it a real alternative and not just a tinker toy.

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