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Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.

I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

SMS is expensive.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #10

> Part of it is the sheer hassle of repeatedly identifying objects — traffic lights, staircases, palm trees and buses — just so I can finish a web search. Does Google ask you to complete a CAPTCHA to run a web search? I've never experienced that - is that a thing?

It's a thing. Turn up privacy features in your browser (including the undocumented ones you need to go to about:config to adjust) and stay logged out of google and you'll get them. Or just fire off a lot of searches pretty fast e.g. by launching a bunch of tabs to search for variations of a term.

If privacy was that important to me, I'd be using DuckDuckGo instead of Google.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.

I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

A bot can trivially generate TOTP tokens from a shared secret and receive/process incoming SMS to extract the code.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I was considering dropping one of my VPS hosts, and when they started putting captchas in the way of logging in, that was the final straw that convinced me. It has also affected my decisions whether to sign up for or use other services. I wonder if web-based businesses consider the lost revenue resulting from annoying their customers or prospective customers this way?

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

SMS is expensive.

It's less expensive than losing customers due to a bad UX.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.

I understand why websites need to use captcha. I do not understand why websites that have user accounts cannot offer the option of 2FA TOTP, or even SMS login to avoid captcha. Hilton.com is a big annoyance.

I really hate giving my phone number to any service, especially since i might need a second account there, or they might sell my data (or get hacked).

I also hate sites that force you to do so... eg. twitter, where it decides it won't let you register without a phone number (making a new twitter account for a project), then won't allow you to use the phone number, because you already used it for your primary account.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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> Part of it is the sheer hassle of repeatedly identifying objects — traffic lights, staircases, palm trees and buses — just so I can finish a web search. Does Google ask you to complete a CAPTCHA to run a web search? I've never experienced that - is that a thing?

If Google deems your request suspicious enough, yes.

You can try this yourself by Googling something suspicious, like common Google dorks. After a few variations of WordPress/phpAdmin Google dorks, you'll get a popup asking you to fill out a CAPTCHA to continue.

If you share your IP with lots of people (CGNAT, schools, large offices) then enough weird Googling can get the entire IP address stuck behind CAPTCHA's for a while. It usually clears after a few minutes, but I've seen it last for up to an hour when someone in the network was doing something they shouldn't have been doing.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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For me a part of the melancholy feeling comes from the indignity of being forced to prove I'm human, and then the frustration at this stupid world we've created which requires me to do so which immediately follows the indignity. A website with captchas is like a retail store with metal detectors; it's not somewhere I feel welcome.

But metal detectors don't block your way for 20 seconds and they don't ever put you into an eternal loop of scanning again and again until you just give up and decide to live without.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Reality has 2 components.

1. The physical part. Sight, sound, etc.

2. The ideas.

Some kinds of reality are beautiful and meaningful all by itself. Flowers, healthy people, healthy animals, forests, natural landscapes, clouds, stuff like that.

Some kinds of reality are beautiful and meaningful only when you consider the ideas associated with them. Cars, streets, books, powerlines, stacks of money, feces, etc. And without the ideas they are quite ugly and nihilistic.

These AI pictures here are that second variety.

It makes you think. Or something.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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> Part of it is the sheer hassle of repeatedly identifying objects — traffic lights, staircases, palm trees and buses — just so I can finish a web search. Does Google ask you to complete a CAPTCHA to run a web search? I've never experienced that - is that a thing?

If Google deems your request suspicious enough, yes. You can try this yourself by Googling something suspicious, like common Google dorks. After a few variations of WordPress/phpAdmin Google dorks, you'll get a popup asking you to fill out a CAPTCHA to continue. If you share your IP with lots of people (CGNAT, schools, large offices) then enough weird Googling can get the entire IP address stuck behind CAPTCHA's for…

> like common Google dorks

What is a 'Google dork' and what are the common ones?

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