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Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by interpol_p »

gfxgirl wrote: post #11
interpol_p wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why throw away the user trust they have earned in the App Store for the short-term profit of subscription scams? There's no business sense there The trust they have in their brand is worth far more. And they are allowing it to erode by featuring scam apps and by providing a subscription mechanism which is easy to abuse

I suspect the user will not blame Apple, they'll blame the app. So Apple gets its 30% with no repercussions. A different problem, I'm sad about all the subscription for apps that shouldn't have one. I get Netflix having a subscription, I'm paying for new movies and bandwidth. But, I wanted a DB meter app. Every one the app store promoted was ~$6 a month or $20 a year. Nothing will change on the app, there's zero reas…

In my experience with these subscription scams, non-technical users who get scammed by them do not "blame Apple" but they tend to become incredibly hesitant to purchasing apps, and no longer purchase subscriptions

If Apple (and developers) want subscription apps to become a more popular business model, they should eliminate the automatic free trial -> subscription rollover. As it stands, it's just hurting the App Store's profitability in the long term

I agree on your second point. Subscription apps are mostly unnecessary. However, I like paying for app updates and am absolutely willing to pay for something similar to a subscription: the Sketch app model

In this model, you pay for the app and get it, as well as one year of updates. After the year is up you get to keep what you bought, but if you want another year of updates you simply pay for another year. That's a subscription-like model that I totally support

Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by jollybean »

pipthepixie wrote: post #4

There is a paradox with app stores in that they play the gatekeeper and can arbitrarily not allow certain apps, remove them, or enforce certain rules on what types of apps are allowed, but then also permit all sorts of shenanigans such as this. The developers of these types of apps are just pushing the envelope of what's allowed until they're called out and formal complaints are made to the app store gatekeepers. The…

It's not a paradox, just a monopoly or de-facto that.

Platforms should be required to allow users to set an alternative default app store, much like browser etc..

Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by TheMightyLlama »

It makes good business sense. As a platform you want to maximise the number of purchases an individual user makes. They might have found out that the average user will buy one or two of the inferior versions before finally buying the original...

Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by tatersolid »

interpol_p wrote: post #21
gfxgirl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the user will not blame Apple, they'll blame the app. So Apple gets its 30% with no repercussions. A different problem, I'm sad about all the subscription for apps that shouldn't have one. I get Netflix having a subscription, I'm paying for new movies and bandwidth. But, I wanted a DB meter app. Every one the app store promoted was ~$6 a month or $20 a year. Nothing will change on the app, there's zero reas…

In my experience with these subscription scams, non-technical users who get scammed by them do not "blame Apple" but they tend to become incredibly hesitant to purchasing apps, and no longer purchase subscriptions If Apple (and developers) want subscription apps to become a more popular business model, they should eliminate the automatic free trial -> subscription rollover. As it stands, it's just hurting the App Sto…

Sketch is simply using the legacy “license plus upgrades/maintenance” model. Nothing innovative about that; in fact it’s what built Microsoft, Adobe, and Oracle into the giants they still are. Businesses have been buying software this way for 50 years.

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Post by interpol_p »

tatersolid wrote: post #25
interpol_p wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience with these subscription scams, non-technical users who get scammed by them do not "blame Apple" but they tend to become incredibly hesitant to purchasing apps, and no longer purchase subscriptions If Apple (and developers) want subscription apps to become a more popular business model, they should eliminate the automatic free trial -> subscription rollover. As it stands, it's just hurting the App Sto…

Sketch is simply using the legacy “license plus upgrades/maintenance” model. Nothing innovative about that; in fact it’s what built Microsoft, Adobe, and Oracle into the giants they still are. Businesses have been buying software this way for 50 years.

It's not the same model, as you're not paying for version 1.0, 2.0, etc.

With Sketch, for the year since your purchase, you receive all updates. Whether they are major or minor.

I get that it sounds similar to legacy licensing models, but it is not the same. I think it's a good blend of patronage/subscription and keeping-what-you-paid-for

With the old 1.0/2.0 paid upgrade model, you could go years before the next major version. You also got different tiers of upgrade pricing: upgrading to 3.0 from 1.0? Or from 2.0? Or are you buying 3.0 outright?

With something like Sketch, any time you pay $100, you get the latest and greatest for one year. If you want to take a break you're not financially punished for skipping updates

So I would say the Sketch model is quite a bit different

Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by tatersolid »

interpol_p wrote: post #26
tatersolid wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sketch is simply using the legacy “license plus upgrades/maintenance” model. Nothing innovative about that; in fact it’s what built Microsoft, Adobe, and Oracle into the giants they still are. Businesses have been buying software this way for 50 years.

It's not the same model, as you're not paying for version 1.0, 2.0, etc. With Sketch, for the year since your purchase, you receive all updates. Whether they are major or minor. I get that it sounds similar to legacy licensing models, but it is not the same. I think it's a good blend of patronage/subscription and keeping-what-you-paid-for With the old 1.0/2.0 paid upgrade model, you could go years before the next maj…

The popular, 40+ year-old license scheme for business software is not based on version numbers (which can be manipulated by the vendor), it is based on time. So long as you pay maintenance you get rights to use whatever released version you choose, and you have perpetual rights to the last version released while you paid maintenance.

So exactly the same as Sketch.

Re: Developers Complain as App Store Feature Promotes Rip-Off Apps

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Post by interpol_p »

tatersolid wrote: post #27
interpol_p wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the same model, as you're not paying for version 1.0, 2.0, etc. With Sketch, for the year since your purchase, you receive all updates. Whether they are major or minor. I get that it sounds similar to legacy licensing models, but it is not the same. I think it's a good blend of patronage/subscription and keeping-what-you-paid-for With the old 1.0/2.0 paid upgrade model, you could go years before the next maj…

The popular, 40+ year-old license scheme for business software is not based on version numbers (which can be manipulated by the vendor), it is based on time. So long as you pay maintenance you get rights to use whatever released version you choose, and you have perpetual rights to the last version released while you paid maintenance. So exactly the same as Sketch.

That's not my experience at all. I used to purchase 3D modelling and animation software (Lightwave 3D). Version upgrade pricing was entirely based on version numbers — as was all the big name software at the time (3D Studio, 3DS Max, Softimage, etc)

I purchased Lightwave 4.0, and paid for the upgrade to 5.0 (I think it was about $1000 for the upgrade). I believe I skipped version 6.0, so the price to go from 5.0 to 7.0 cost me more than the price from 6.0 to 7.0 (for users who had purchased 6.0). There were multiple tiers of upgrade pricing, and new users had to pay significantly more than users who were upgrading

Under the Sketch model, taking a break from upgrading does not financially penalise you relative to other users — sure you don't get updates during that time period — but when you go to pick up the software again you pay exactly the same price as anyone else renewing at that time and receive all the latest features

Even someone who has never used the app before will pay $100 and get exactly the same feature set as me, a user who has paid regularly for years

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