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I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I really don't understand the anti-vaxxers. I mean, OK, when the vaccine first came out, I could understand a small measure of hesitancy. Hell, I even said something to the effect of "I don't necessarily want to be first in line."

But at this point, the vaccines have been given to, what, billions of people? And the number of people who have suffered severe ramifications that can be attributed to a vaccine rounds to zero. And as far as "Well, we don't know the long-term effects" arguments go... OK, superficially that sounds reasonable. But there isn't, to the best of my knowledge, even a good theoretical explanation of how/why to expect any long-term effects. The vaccine itself is eliminated from your system in a few days if I understand correctly, leaving behind only anti-bodies manufactured by your body.

So yeah, I guess it's possible, in principle, that 3 years from now, or 10 years from now, or whatever, people that took the vaccine could start keeling over spontaneously, or growing third eyeballs in the center of their foreheads or something. But the odds of that happening seem way, way, way beyond even "ludicrously low". To my way of thinking, it "rounds to impossible". So I'd like to know why these folks think differently and apparently expect something bad to happen if they take the vaccine.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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It's the Huffington Post, so I can't believe what the reporter is saying. To be fair, it's an opinion piece. But, with intentionally misleading statements like "I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated.", it's hard to keep the eyes from rolling out of their sockets. I haven't heard of any ICU…

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article253203288...

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> probably poses a more serious risk to the country than Covid ever will "Person angry about 600,000 deaths a bigger risk to country than thing that caused 600,000 deaths" is a pretty bold claim.

Not the one person, the whole trend in the way we consume information and communicate with people. Obviously.

Like this example, where a frontline worker explains the dangers of going unvaccinated? How is that more dangerous than the pandemic that killed 600k and counting?

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

#24
I remember thinking as a kid "why don't we breed out stupidity" - turns out breeding out stupidity is a terrifying phenomenon to witness and there is a ton of collateral damage that I didn't think about as a child. Having said that, at the point we are at right now, there is a part of me that is glad that unvaccinated people are dying. Fuck them, their stupidity is leading directly to them no longer existing and I'm okay with that - it's just the collateral damage I am chewing my nails about.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Folks - if someone you know is not vaccinated at this point in time (in the US) - it's entirely on them if they get sick. And guess what - they already know this, made that decision, and nothing you rant and rave about is going to change it.

Quit trying to drum up some mandatory vaccine rhetoric - or villianize these people. Just leave them alone and go about your life in whatever way you think is appropriate for your own wellbeing.

Vaccinated people do not need to wear masks to protect unvaccinated people at this point in time.

It's time to stop catering policy towards a small percentage of the population that has decided for whatever reason to not get vaccinated. These people largely understand what they are doing - leave them alone and get on with life!

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently conv…

OK, so what were those reasons?

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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It's the Huffington Post, so I can't believe what the reporter is saying. To be fair, it's an opinion piece. But, with intentionally misleading statements like "I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated.", it's hard to keep the eyes from rolling out of their sockets. I haven't heard of any ICU…

To be blunt, you haven't been paying attention. Here's the situation in Arkansas[0], Texas[1], and Florida[2], all within the last two weeks.

[0] https://www.kait8.com/2021/07/29/surge-covid-19-cases-arkans...

[1] https://www.kut.org/covid-19/2021-07-30/intensive-care-capac...

[2] https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/07/20/central-f...

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently conv…

I have a hunch there’s quite a few people who just don’t like needles, and are happy there are so many creative excuses to avoid getting the shot.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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post #11

It's the Huffington Post, so I can't believe what the reporter is saying. To be fair, it's an opinion piece. But, with intentionally misleading statements like "I am angry that the tragic scenes of prior surges are being played out yet again, but now with ICUs primarily filled with patients who have chosen not to be vaccinated.", it's hard to keep the eyes from rolling out of their sockets. I haven't heard of any ICU…

Restrictions have been eased. There are indications that the virus has mutated into a more threatening form while keeping it’s high transmissibility. Louisiana appears to be running out of beds.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/565793-louisiana-ho...

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