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Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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There must be generation coming which has never used physical keyboard and do not ever want to. Even now, when my home automation needs some adjustment, it easier just to SSH to Emacs than to wake up, put some clothes on and go sitting by the screen. Especially with (global-set-key (kbd "å") 'hippie-expand) .

Wait until they pass 35 and find that getting up and moving about is not just an annoyance but vital to keeping your body away from a state of constant little nagging pains ;)

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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I think a lot about PinePhone, PinePhone Keyboard, terminal and emacs org-mode. As a journal, to-do list, notes etc. I'm very tempted to buy them, when the keyboard is released.

But I have a Gemini PDA which is basically the same thing but more integrated and I never use it.

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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post #21

There must be generation coming which has never used physical keyboard and do not ever want to. Even now, when my home automation needs some adjustment, it easier just to SSH to Emacs than to wake up, put some clothes on and go sitting by the screen. Especially with (global-set-key (kbd "å") 'hippie-expand) .

Wait until they pass 35 and find that getting up and moving about is not just an annoyance but vital to keeping your body away from a state of constant little nagging pains ;)

Shutup son. I am 69. But I cannot type with my thumbs, like people under 30. I need always two hands to use the phone.

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

#24

I think a lot about PinePhone, PinePhone Keyboard, terminal and emacs org-mode. As a journal, to-do list, notes etc. I'm very tempted to buy them, when the keyboard is released. But I have a Gemini PDA which is basically the same thing but more integrated and I never use it.

What is it that makes your Gemini unused, you think?

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don't think so. To be able to dock it you need a screen and keyboard (or a laptop-style "shell"). That means you need a device that takes just as much space as an independent device but can't be used unless you plug your phone to it. The only benefit is a slight lower cost - but then you need to make sure your phone is powerful enough so a cheap Android is out of the picture. You've been saying this for ages, an…

Now that I'm using a Surface Book 2 as my primary computer, with a Surface Dock set up on my desk at home with screen/keyboard/speakers/etc., I'm more confident than ever that this future is coming eventually - but also confident that it will take a long time. Having a single device makes a surprisingly big difference from having two separate devices (home PC and travel laptop), but is also not worth sacrificing powe…

> they'll probably need to be x86-based phones for the sake of being able to run old programs.

Maybe its the other way around?

Maybe we need to wait until the old way of doing things is so forgotten we can accept the phone-way as a valid way. As long has people have their x86 applications, they'll want to use them. Once people stop caring - well then there is an app for that.

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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It was around 2000, after buying a Cassiopeia E-100 that I realized a keyboard makes any computer massively more usable. With that I bought a Psion 5MX, used it great success, and never considered a device without a physical keyboard again. Switched off to Nokia Communicators, then several Android Sliders. All worked great. I was always the guy in the conference room who could login to servers and look-up info, despi…

Have you seen the Astro Slide? Name aside it does look pretty interesting. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transforme...

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until they pass 35 and find that getting up and moving about is not just an annoyance but vital to keeping your body away from a state of constant little nagging pains ;)

Shutup son. I am 69. But I cannot type with my thumbs, like people under 30. I need always two hands to use the phone.

I'm still wishing for T9 to come back... Every generation has its thing. Maybe it's time to try dictation and get past the feelings of silliness ;)

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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I've been saying this for ages — the future setup is going to be phones as a singular device. When you get home, you'll dock it to be able to use your peripherals or extra monitors. Phones will become even more powerful, but even then anything heavy can be done in the cloud or at the network edge (with minimal latency thanks to 5g, see cloud gaming). OSs will become more convergent (Windows tried it, Huawei's doing i…

No I don't think so. To be able to dock it you need a screen and keyboard (or a laptop-style "shell"). That means you need a device that takes just as much space as an independent device but can't be used unless you plug your phone to it. The only benefit is a slight lower cost - but then you need to make sure your phone is powerful enough so a cheap Android is out of the picture. You've been saying this for ages, an…

> you need a device that takes just as much space as an independent device but can't be used unless you plug your phone to it

Flip side: it’s a device that just works, doesn’t need to be kept patched and updated and where syncing is never an issue. It’s an external monitor for your phone plus a keyboard.

The prediction has fallen on its face due to the mobile component not being central enough. If half my life is on my laptop and half on my phone, a desktop makes sense. (Though I go for external monitors to my laptop.) But if all my stuff is on my phone, losing the syncing tax becomes more meaningful.

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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post #24

I think a lot about PinePhone, PinePhone Keyboard, terminal and emacs org-mode. As a journal, to-do list, notes etc. I'm very tempted to buy them, when the keyboard is released. But I have a Gemini PDA which is basically the same thing but more integrated and I never use it.

What is it that makes your Gemini unused, you think?

I did write a blog post or two on it on the train using termux and nano. That was cool. And the occasional SSH session.

But as a phone running Android it's not quite there. Features like the LED controller app are half-baked vanity apps, and I'd rather they'd spent the time getting the lower level stuff right. Low quality phone call audio, random glitches, and software updates were mostly forgotten about. If I did want it as my primary phone I would also want a camera. The only camera was front-facing and low quality, which ruled it out. So it became a novel supplementary device rather than a daily driver.

To whit, the hinge mechanism isn't well designed. In theory the spine rotates back to form a stand, but it's incredibly wobbly. So it's not much use for typing on a table. And it can't be held in the hand, as there's no stiffness.

Why do I think PinePhone will be any different? The prototypes I've seen look like the hinge is stiffer. I'm not a kernel-compiling Linux enthusiast, so I don't expect to use a PinePhone as a real phone. But I do hope an SSH terminal to be simple enough to just work. So that puts it into the realm of mostly offline with sync. And org-mode is both simple and exciting, in a weird kind of a way.

And that appeals to nostaliga for Psions, Palm PDAs and Newtons.

Re: Smart Phone, Dumb Terminal

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don't think so. To be able to dock it you need a screen and keyboard (or a laptop-style "shell"). That means you need a device that takes just as much space as an independent device but can't be used unless you plug your phone to it. The only benefit is a slight lower cost - but then you need to make sure your phone is powerful enough so a cheap Android is out of the picture. You've been saying this for ages, an…

Now that I'm using a Surface Book 2 as my primary computer, with a Surface Dock set up on my desk at home with screen/keyboard/speakers/etc., I'm more confident than ever that this future is coming eventually - but also confident that it will take a long time. Having a single device makes a surprisingly big difference from having two separate devices (home PC and travel laptop), but is also not worth sacrificing powe…

Apple already made it possible on macOS to run x86_64 software on their ARM computers, with Rosetta 2.

Any company with enough resources could do the same if they felt so inclined.

And if Apple wanted to, Apple could make Rosetta 2 run on iOS devices. For now they want to keep them mostly separate, and are more about running iPad apps on macOS than the other way around. But there is nothing stopping Apple from running desktop software, whether compiled for x86_64 or for ARM, on iOS devices if they wanted to. And if convergence turns out to be the future then I think we may see them do that eventually. But I am not convinced that it will.

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