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Explosion in central Oslo

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Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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CNN has a timeline that speaks of multiple bombings: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norw...

I was at work 3 blocks away from the bombing. If there were several bombings, they were detonated simultanously. I heard a single bang and our building shook once.

I'll add that the blast was unlike anything I've withnessed, even 3 blocks away.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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post #7

CNN has a timeline that speaks of multiple bombings: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norw...

It was only a single explosion. There were rumours of multiple explosions, but they were not true. People mistook glass falling from buildings and fake CG YouTube videos (Sky News retweeted it), but the rumors were quickly denied in the Norwegian media.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose bad people do bad things, regardless of an honorable ideology. Still, I see Norway in the same way as I see Canada. They do not take strong statements for or against others, they do not engage in the affairs of others, they have had a long (modern) history of peaceful relations/intentions. The most aggressive thing they've done is commit handfuls of troops to a multinational "peacekeeping" missions. I guess…

Their more important enemies are also probably more difficult to attack.

Their more important enemies undoubtedly have more security theatre, but I highly doubt they would actually be harder to attack.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Rumors say, that it was a single guy, the one who did the shootings as well. Looks like a timed attack. I expect it to be some sort of right wing background.

It's so sad. Tomorrow, everybody will grieve. The next day, everyone will talk about to intensify security measures and to control the internet...

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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post #13

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I'm curious, why would you imagine that al qaeda et al wouldn't want to attack Norway?

I suppose bad people do bad things, regardless of an honorable ideology. Still, I see Norway in the same way as I see Canada. They do not take strong statements for or against others, they do not engage in the affairs of others, they have had a long (modern) history of peaceful relations/intentions. The most aggressive thing they've done is commit handfuls of troops to a multinational "peacekeeping" missions. I guess…

What honorable ideology do you mean? Or are you speaking generically?

Al qaeda's ideology is quite simple. They reject modernity, they reject individualism, they reject modern commerce, and industry, and open societies. They want to end the influence of the western, liberal world on the arab/islamic world so that the latter can be returned to or preserved as a bastion of conservative and traditionalist culture and religion. Norwegians are as objectionable to their ideology as Americans, as they represent precisely those forces that they are fighting against (hedonism, personal liberty, etc.)

Aside from that, Norwegians have not shown as much respect or deference to Islam as al qaeda imagines they should. Norwegian newspapers reprinted the famously blasphemous "Mohammad cartoons", for example. We may not imagine that such a thing is important, we may imagine that free expression including blasphemy is indeed even a right that all people should have, and I think we should. But we shouldn't have any illusions that there are a lot of people who think otherwise. Who believe that blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy should be banned and punished to the most severe extent even up to death. It's curious to me that so many people could so easily misapprehend the motives and ideology of so prominent a movement as militant Islamism and so prominent an organization as al qaeda.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose bad people do bad things, regardless of an honorable ideology. Still, I see Norway in the same way as I see Canada. They do not take strong statements for or against others, they do not engage in the affairs of others, they have had a long (modern) history of peaceful relations/intentions. The most aggressive thing they've done is commit handfuls of troops to a multinational "peacekeeping" missions. I guess…

Often, schoolyard bullies attack peaceful bystanders of high status, if they think they can get away with it. Often, they even think of some justification for themselves. I think the same principle applies here.

Exactly. Al qaeda is not some freedom fighter movement, they are fighting to create a new world order. An order where western powers no longer interact with the islamic world, and are also ideally disempowered and lowered in stature. An order where the islamic world is united under theocratic control (a new caliphate) and ideally is the dominant power on Earth with all other races, religions, and cultures their inferiors.
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