I'm not sure if it's a stylistic choice or a badge of 90s hackerdom, but this and the next top HN personal blog post right now have no scaling or view metas and are impossible to read on a phone. I feel like open decision-making isn't working well if it hasn't reached a consensus yet about mobile readability. (I'm just being snarky because I'm in the middle of rewriting a ton of ancient mobile-unfriendly code, but, r…
Open Decision-Making (2014)
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you elaborate on this? How does the distinction between taking and applying affect the decision making process?
Not parent, but I have similar encounters. Japanese decision making (especially in big orgs) is consensus driven. Multiple stakeholders are consulted, various options considered, all opinions weighed (in theory). This process is, consequently, not very agile and the more stakeholders the more time a big decision will take. Not until everyone is happy is a final decision put down. But part of this is because once a de…
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#23Almost all of the hard decisions I’ve seen in my career stemmed from this one line that is glossed over: “when consensus doesn't occur it's because there isn't a clear answer or because there is a conflict between groups. In these situations it's up to management to make a decision so the organization can move forward.” This happens very often with design vs. product. I was disappointed this wasn’t dug into deeper. A…
When there's internal conflicts, as much as possible it's better to let the market/users decide.
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#24Just my 2 cents
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#25“Oh Concensus - The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner: ‘I stand for consensus?'” - Margaret Thatcher
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#26Almost all of the hard decisions I’ve seen in my career stemmed from this one line that is glossed over: “when consensus doesn't occur it's because there isn't a clear answer or because there is a conflict between groups. In these situations it's up to management to make a decision so the organization can move forward.” This happens very often with design vs. product. I was disappointed this wasn’t dug into deeper. A…
That might seem inconceivably frustrating for people who like to make continuous changes - especially if the delay is weeks, months or even years. But sometimes a good idea or answer will develop during that time.
If a good solution doesn't emerge, then sure, it's possible that outside pressure may make it necessary to select one of the options anyway. But I think that's rarer than people expect.
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#27“Oh Concensus - The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one believes, but to which no one objects; the process of avoiding the very issues that have to be solved, merely because you cannot get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been fought and won under the banner: ‘I stand for consensus?'” - Margaret Thatcher
That sounds much more like a description of compromise rather than consensus.
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#28My colleague tried a similar method recently and the result was a total disaster. In stage I, collecting the inputs, he gathered everybody's opinions. In stage II, consensus, everybody was happy. Why? Because person A said we should do A, person B said, "Fine, but we should also do B", person C said, "that's perfect, but we must also do C". The result was a huge monster that everybody thought was possible to realize, except person Z who was responsible for QA and knew very well it's going to fail. Now, in phase III, obviously problems started to pile up. Person Z was overworked and in the end he left the company.
So, basically you need to be smart and know when it makes sense to use the methodology and when it makes no sense. As a rule of thumb, if you work with a small group of smart people who also have a rough idea of what others are doing, it's worth taking the risk.
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#29Almost all of the hard decisions I’ve seen in my career stemmed from this one line that is glossed over: “when consensus doesn't occur it's because there isn't a clear answer or because there is a conflict between groups. In these situations it's up to management to make a decision so the organization can move forward.” This happens very often with design vs. product. I was disappointed this wasn’t dug into deeper. A…
It's not practical in a lot of organizations, but something I like to do, when possible, in the face of a non-consensus decision is simply to wait. That might seem inconceivably frustrating for people who like to make continuous changes - especially if the delay is weeks, months or even years. But sometimes a good idea or answer will develop during that time. If a good solution doesn't emerge, then sure, it's possibl…
E.g. should we go in direction A or B with our product?
Wait.
Ok - but still our market share is continuing to change, it’s just we’re no longer trying to influence it?
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#30My misc Yes and:
I've always struggled to articulate my ideas, experiences. Workplace democracy is a hard sell. I've only successfully used it when I had full control, like a benevolent dictator. Supremely ironic.
Focus on good structures and processes and the outcomes will take care of themselves. h/t Luke Hohmann and The Journey of the Software Professional.
Workplace democracy is about both empowerment and responsibility. I hired really good people. The answers we need are right here. The trick is creating the environment where the team can find and flesh out their answers. Together! Maybe this is called nurture.
My team members have always owned their processes and structures, and therefore they earned their outcomes. Using democracy instills emotional involvement and commitment.
My primary involvement was adjudicator, enforcer. If a team made a joint decision, I held them to it. No sniping, sabotage, withholding, backstabbing, and all those other icky personal political BS details. If someone wanted to, needed to, revise a team's decision, then it was handled democratically. So be prepared to be the asshole.
Democracy feels slower, more painful. That's only because the heartache is front loaded. It's one of those "go slower to move faster" things. If you stick to the process, there's much less rework, relitigation.
Trust is key. In that "disagree and commit" sort of way. In owning and learning from mistakes. In demonstrating that team decisions will not be capriciously or casually disregarded or overruled.
Like a magpie, I cobbled together goofy ideas from every where. Joint Application Development (JAD) for brainstorming, project planning. Approval voting for triage. Roman evaluation for hiring. Balance of powers between roles (Marketing, Engineering, QA) for governance. Streamlining from Goldratt's theory of constraints. Etc, etc. Books like Innovation Games are good sources.
Democracy is hard. Requires commitment. It gets A LOT easier once the culture is established (eg storming, forming, norming, performing).
Major caveat: Once you experience democracy, a high trust environment, it kinda ruins you for the rest. It's really, really hard to suspend disbelief.