iDOS 2 will be gone soon • Hacker News Board

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

They bow to the will of the true owners of the device they are renting.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by arthurcolle » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

use Prompt or another mosh terminal emulator and ssh into wherever you want

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by jeroenhd » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

opheliate wrote: post #12

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…

Because if the iPad can be used as a computer, there's very little reason to buy a Macbook. It makes no financial sense.

It'd also allow apps to dynamically load external software, which could be used as a bypass for Apple's stringent app store requirements.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Vanit » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

The latter as you said, compile it yourself.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by heavyset_go » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

They rationalize no longer being able to do something they used to be able to do, for no real practical or technical reason, as actually being a good thing.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by jdavis703 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

opheliate wrote: post #12

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…

There is Swift Playgrounds, along with a host of web-based tools. Not ideal for sure, but someone like you could still _learn_ coding from an iPad.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by shkkmo » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

withinboredom wrote: post #3

Yet another sad story of Apple's incompetence at running an app store.

It's not incompetence if it's actually their rule. They are competently enforcing an arguably stupid rule.

No, they are incompetently enforcing the rules because the "not allowed" functionality was added a while ago and explicitly mentioned to the reviewers. The update review that triggered the removal was just bug fixes.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by lixtra » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #6

Ok, so if the customer bought it before they took it down. I could use it for as long as I could?

Yes, as long as you don’t upgrade your phone. At some point an OS upgrade will break the app.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by benmmurphy » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

These rules are applied selectively. I know very popular apps that are loading interpreted code over https and executing it. Also, these same apps are exploiting a flaw in iOS in order to track users across apps and using the interpreted code to hide this.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by marinhero » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

Gave up. I was wishing WWDC21 bring something like this due the M1 iPads but all I got was a refresh on Playgrounds... It's frustrating but I'm still inside the garden, and getting more tired by the day.