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Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Re: Don’t Let Police Arm Autonomous or Remote-Controlled Robots and Drones

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Post by virtuabhi »

underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

Terrorist organizations have started drone attacks - https://www.livemint.com/news/india/jammu-airport-attack-fro...

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Post by badjeans »

JCharante wrote: post #19
TheChaplain wrote: post #3

Sorry to be a downer but it will happen if it hasn't already, and the biggest reason is cost savings which is pretty hard to argue against when the budget is up for discussion at the local gov. Having drones patrol large areas, running plates and face-matching against a warrant database is much quicker and cheaper than having people doing it. They're also cheaper than helicopters to follow fleeing suspects, and a bit…

> Having drones patrol large areas, running plates and face-matching against a warrant database is much quicker and cheaper than having people doing it. Why would it be cheaper than metal poles with cameras attached to them? Surely stationary devices will be cheaper and safer.

I guess a drone can just land on a roof (or even street-level)?

Basically a battery powered camera that can be deployed very quickly to an area of interest.

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Post by throwawayswede »

underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

Israel uses "AI" controlled drones with no human contact to terrorize people in Gaza. Palestinians absolutely already manufacturer and deploy simple drones against Israeli military targets. Israeli terrorist army force (in a euphemistic doublespeak manner called defense force) does way more damage against civilians while Palestinians resist against an occupier.

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Post by _zzaw »

underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

Hamas is already doing this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/05/14/hamas-...

I'm only surprised we're not seeing more of this from domestic terrorist groups. Anyone with minimal technical skill could probably order a hobbyist drone, attach something nasty, and figure out how to remotely detonate it with a phone.

Also, I suspect that arguing cops shouldn't be able to use armed robots for extreme situations like hostage standoffs—when they already use robots for bomb disposal and reconnaissance, to say nothing of long-standing measures like deploying snipers on rooftops—is going to be a tough case to make. Might have more success trying to limit the situations where they can use armed robots—say, a hostage situation or ongoing terror attack, rather than shadowing a protest.

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Post by thefounder »

throwawayswede wrote: post #8

We shouldn't allow anyone to do this, not just the police. Although it already happens, and the American military already does this internationally. Drone attacks flourished under Obama's administration basically, look up the incident around 2013 when US military drone fired at a wedding convoy in Yemen and killed 10+ people.

If the US doesn't do it the others will(Russia, China etc).

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Post by throwawayswede »

thefounder wrote: post #25
throwawayswede wrote: post #8

We shouldn't allow anyone to do this, not just the police. Although it already happens, and the American military already does this internationally. Drone attacks flourished under Obama's administration basically, look up the incident around 2013 when US military drone fired at a wedding convoy in Yemen and killed 10+ people.

If the US doesn't do it the others will(Russia, China etc).

That's an empty argument. Criticizing American military and government doesn't mean you can't criticize others.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #15
underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

I always thought targeted assassination will be the primary use of autonomous weapons. And since I don't really see any obvious means of authoritative attribution, I'm not really sure how you would stop it? I think it will be ultra popular. Not only with cartels looking to rid themselves of annoyances in Mexico. Also with people looking to remove any mayor they don't like, or any police chief they don't like, or, mor…

I remember listening to a guy on Business Radio, who was operating in this space. His business model was basically making sure that drones can't be easily disabled, jammed and so on along with the other side of the coin where 'bad guy' ( I so hate that phrase ) drones are contained quickly.

That was two years ago. I assume this is part of the reason some drone regulations were implemented.

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Post by magicsmoke »

_zzaw wrote: post #24
underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

Hamas is already doing this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/05/14/hamas-... I'm only surprised we're not seeing more of this from domestic terrorist groups. Anyone with minimal technical skill could probably order a hobbyist drone, attach something nasty, and figure out how to remotely detonate it with a phone. Also, I suspect that arguing cops shouldn't be able to use armed robots for extreme situat…

Using drones wasn't going to dramatically increase the damage someone like the Boston Marathon bomber did or decrease his chances of getting caught. Would be domestic terrorists are deterred by the fact that they are domestic and will eventually be arrested given the dragnet of internet and CCTV surveillance we all live under, not because they can't somehow fly a bomb into a stadium instead of leaving a pressure cooker backpack. Drone availability is way down on the list of things a normal person would consider before deciding to pick up domestic terrorism. Top of that list is probably whether they can win a shootout with the police force when a dozen swat vans inevitably show up at their address.

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Post by rootsudo »

_zzaw wrote: post #24
underseacables wrote: post #10

I’m less worried about the police doing this than I am rogue nation, groups, and individuals. It’s only a matter of time until Hamas launches an armed, low flying, autonomous drone swarm in the heart of Tel Aviv. The book “Kill Decision” by Daniel Suarez convinced me that we have less to fear from government and more to fear from private actors when it comes to lethal drones. Actually, I’m really surprised it hasn’t…

Hamas is already doing this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/05/14/hamas-... I'm only surprised we're not seeing more of this from domestic terrorist groups. Anyone with minimal technical skill could probably order a hobbyist drone, attach something nasty, and figure out how to remotely detonate it with a phone. Also, I suspect that arguing cops shouldn't be able to use armed robots for extreme situat…

"I'm only surprised we're not seeing more of this from domestic terrorist groups. Anyone with minimal technical skill could probably order a hobbyist drone, attach something nasty, and figure out how to remotely detonate it with a phone."

Me too, it is not high tech at all, basic in doing a remote circuit and they now even have "farming" drones which you can replace the main chemical with whatever you'd want...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7Q4oIrP3I

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Post by plank_time »

The militarization of the police in the US is a huge problem that is out of control. I was extremely disappointed that Obama didn’t not only rein in this militarization but effectively made it worse. We are now having to deal with a generation of cops who think they are GI Joe but don’t have the training. This is why so many unarmed people are getting shot by the cops, because they start their day thinking they are in Fallujah instead of Cleveland.
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