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Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by anshorei »

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #11
raxxorrax wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is ridiculous really. I have been vaccinated with Moderna, which didn't even bring anything else to the market as far as I know. Listening to these people wanting to nudge others I wish I didn't get vaccinated. I think the damage Covid can cause is significant, but this is an experimental treatment. To my disappointment I didn't get magnetic, but doctors claiming there cannot be any unforseen dangers are lying to…

I´m less worried by vaccine safety than the vaccine strategy. You don´t normally vaccinate in an ongoing pandemic, usually you vaccinate when a virus is not in circulation. By vaccinating in this way, in an already infected population, you add selection pressure that creates an advantage for more contagious vaccine-resistant strains. This is the real danger in my opinion, but of course side effects of this new vaccin…

> But he praises the new vaccine technology, so he´s not antivaxx.

It's sad how this has to be stated every time one brings up criticism of the current vaccine strategy. For many people there's only two possible stances: "I've already taken the vaccine" and "I'm an anti-vaxxer". I also remember that back when Trump was boasting "We'll have the vaccine soon! It'll be the greatest vaccine. And then we can all go back to normal!" there was a healthy skepticism on the left of promoting nation-wide use of a rushed vaccine, but as soon as Biden took over this disappeared.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by LifeIsThermal »

stefan_ wrote: post #19
raxxorrax wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is ridiculous really. I have been vaccinated with Moderna, which didn't even bring anything else to the market as far as I know. Listening to these people wanting to nudge others I wish I didn't get vaccinated. I think the damage Covid can cause is significant, but this is an experimental treatment. To my disappointment I didn't get magnetic, but doctors claiming there cannot be any unforseen dangers are lying to…

There have been hundreds of millions of vaccinations. What unforseen danger is there at this point? Be precise.

See my post below.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by lawn »

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #18
mattashii wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There´s only one reason for taking the vaxx, to protect yourself from severe disease. My second reason to get vaccinated was to slow down spread as far as reasonably possible. Ergo, there are more reasons to get vaccinated than just that one you mentioned. > If you´re young and healthy, [...] you benefit as much from the vaccine as you do from a tinfoil hat. Bullshit. A tinfoil hat doesn't protect you against a cov…

The risk of severe illness in healthy people is extremely low. Here in Sweden it´s less than 0.2%. If you already had covid the risk is something like 0.00008% to even get infected. In my view, both of those numbers are so low that protection from vaccination is equal to a tinfoil hat. Only an idiot vaccinates himself for a virus with 0.2% risk of severe disease. Now, there might be a difference in what we call "heal…

Only an idiot thinks that 0.2% is low or that a tinfoil hat (which gives exactly zero protection) is equal to the protection the vaccine gives.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by checkyoursudo »

mattashii wrote: post #15
LifeIsThermal wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There´s only one reason for taking the vaxx, to protect yourself from severe disease. You should not take it because you want restrictions to end, it has been clear for a long time that the restrictions will not go away. If you´re young and healthy, and maybe even already had covid, you benefit as much from the vaccine as you do from a tinfoil hat.

> There´s only one reason for taking the vaxx, to protect yourself from severe disease. My second reason to get vaccinated was to slow down spread as far as reasonably possible. Ergo, there are more reasons to get vaccinated than just that one you mentioned. > If you´re young and healthy, [...] you benefit as much from the vaccine as you do from a tinfoil hat. Bullshit. A tinfoil hat doesn't protect you against a cov…

Other than not wanting to get the illness yourself, there is another major reason to get the vaccine. The more that people get the illness, then the more likely the virus is to evolve variants. Regardless of how bad or not bad it is now, a future variant could always be much, much worse. And there is just no way to know if or when that might happen.

As many people as possible getting vaxxed is the best way to prevent some future deadly variant. Getting it naturally is and surviving does not help in this regard, because that is where most (all?) of the variants come from to begin with.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by AYBABTME »

Forgive me for asking a dumb question, and I mean no wrongthought in asking it: if I'm vaccinated, why should I care if others aren't? Does it change anything for my life from here?

EDIT: thanks for the answers, exactly the info I needed to update my prior beliefs.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by shaftway »

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #18
mattashii wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There´s only one reason for taking the vaxx, to protect yourself from severe disease. My second reason to get vaccinated was to slow down spread as far as reasonably possible. Ergo, there are more reasons to get vaccinated than just that one you mentioned. > If you´re young and healthy, [...] you benefit as much from the vaccine as you do from a tinfoil hat. Bullshit. A tinfoil hat doesn't protect you against a cov…

The risk of severe illness in healthy people is extremely low. Here in Sweden it´s less than 0.2%. If you already had covid the risk is something like 0.00008% to even get infected. In my view, both of those numbers are so low that protection from vaccination is equal to a tinfoil hat. Only an idiot vaccinates himself for a virus with 0.2% risk of severe disease. Now, there might be a difference in what we call "heal…

So, I think you're trying to say the risk is low, but non-zero. And getting vaccinated would seem to lower this further. Making it more valuable than a tin foil hat?

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by checkyoursudo »

AYBABTME wrote: post #25

Forgive me for asking a dumb question, and I mean no wrongthought in asking it: if I'm vaccinated, why should I care if others aren't? Does it change anything for my life from here? EDIT: thanks for the answers, exactly the info I needed to update my prior beliefs.

Variants develop primarily in unvaccinated people. Your vaccine may not be effective against future variants.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by raxxorrax »

LifeIsThermal wrote: post #11
raxxorrax wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is ridiculous really. I have been vaccinated with Moderna, which didn't even bring anything else to the market as far as I know. Listening to these people wanting to nudge others I wish I didn't get vaccinated. I think the damage Covid can cause is significant, but this is an experimental treatment. To my disappointment I didn't get magnetic, but doctors claiming there cannot be any unforseen dangers are lying to…

I´m less worried by vaccine safety than the vaccine strategy. You don´t normally vaccinate in an ongoing pandemic, usually you vaccinate when a virus is not in circulation. By vaccinating in this way, in an already infected population, you add selection pressure that creates an advantage for more contagious vaccine-resistant strains. This is the real danger in my opinion, but of course side effects of this new vaccin…

Yes, I think Mareks disease is theorized to be a prime example for this. It is deadly by now for any unvaccinated chickens and it probably was caused by a leaky vaccine and the Covid vaccines are too.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by shaftway »

AYBABTME wrote: post #25

Forgive me for asking a dumb question, and I mean no wrongthought in asking it: if I'm vaccinated, why should I care if others aren't? Does it change anything for my life from here? EDIT: thanks for the answers, exactly the info I needed to update my prior beliefs.

There's a non-zero chance that the vaccine wasn't effective for you. Herd immunity reduces the amount of virus in the wild below a certain tipping point, making it far less likely that you could contract the virus if you happened to be one of the people it wasn't effective for.

Re: Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

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Post by adriancr »

AYBABTME wrote: post #25

Forgive me for asking a dumb question, and I mean no wrongthought in asking it: if I'm vaccinated, why should I care if others aren't? Does it change anything for my life from here? EDIT: thanks for the answers, exactly the info I needed to update my prior beliefs.

1. you can still catch things as vaccines are not 100% (some are 50-60% effective, mRNA are 90-95% so far)

2. It can mutate in people that catch it to avoid vaccine / cause other issues. Imagine if it started causing blindness... would you care then of being forced to take a 5-10% / 50% chance of catching it?

3. No chance of wiping it out without everyone vaccinated.

4. Some people can't get vaccinated or it wont work on them. They will catch it and die if others are not getting it / spreading it.

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