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The Death of the Festival

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Re: The Death of the Festival

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>The natural order is unraveling. Plagues, floods, droughts, political unrest, riots, and economic crises strike one upon the next Interesting concept of "natural order". What "natural" means in this context? What about "order"? Would lets say genocide be considered a part of natural order aswell? >Societies have faced such circumstances repeatedly throughout history, just as we face them today. Fake news. Doesn't un…

I love this meme [1]. We’re living in the best society to date. On average, of course.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/aylts5/not_a_cellpho...

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? You might disagree but the article is interesting? Can you also assert that there’s nothing “natural” you can do that would systematically help with COVID prevention? Quitting smoking, running, healthy inmune system with dieting and so on?

That's not what he means and you know it.

I’m honestly not sure what he means. I may disagree with most, but I’m just surprised about people stopping reading when they hear something they disagree with.

It’s not even the central point of the article.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Stopped reading at `Systemic use of natural and alternative healing modalities could vastly reduce covid mortality`

Physical exercise, breathwork, healthy diets and diverse immune exposure all seem rather "holistic" and yet seem rather likely to reduce covid mortality -- perhaps much more so than, say, Remdesvir

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> As for Burning Man and the transformational music & art festivals, these have exercised some of the festival’s authentic function – until recently, when their exile to online platforms stripped them of any transcendental possibility. Much as the organizers are doing their best to keep the idea of the festival alive, online festivals risk becoming just another show for consumption. One clicks into them, sits back, a…

Ironically COVID might save festival culture from total megacorp commercialization for another generation while giving back outdoor rave their clandestine feel, While being comparably safe compared to indoor booze-fests. Regarding online, the emerging 'just chatting' Twitch rave scene is something to behold in it's anarchism.

Could you give me some pointers to find them on twitch in that category? Do they use tags or common words in the titles? "Rave"?

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Stopped reading at `Systemic use of natural and alternative healing modalities could vastly reduce covid mortality`

Why? You might disagree but the article is interesting? Can you also assert that there’s nothing “natural” you can do that would systematically help with COVID prevention? Quitting smoking, running, healthy inmune system with dieting and so on?

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Re: The Death of the Festival

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Appears the writing is on the wall, as it were. Some years after Girard, Nassim Taleb riffed on a similar theme he called "suppressed volatility," where he started with risk being akin to a kind of energy that could not be created or destroyed, and the inevitable consequence of suppressing volatility was a kind of mean reversion or explosion on the other direction. I'd never consider Taleb as simpler or less wordy than anyone, but in this case, he seems more succinct than Girard on a similar topic.

Carnivals and festivals today are still role reversals, where some Burners described it to me as for a week in the desert, artists and working people become administrators and facilitators where in regular life they may have little formal authority in their own roles, but here they are the volunteer leaders and make the whole thing go, and then white collar people who spend their lives projecting an edgeless affect can walk around naked, anonymous, and high. No doubt it's more than that, but as something that puts the carnal in carnival, it was a useful description.

Personally, I think Girardian warnings of scapegoating rituals are late arriving words for a greater dynamic that appears to have been set in motion, as though if we've heard of his ideas and work, it's because we already needed to know them. The author's admonition that storm clouds are gathering is a pervasive sentiment in conversations I've had lately, but to extend the metaphor, everyone thinks they need to prepare for a storm, without considering that what they should be worried about is a flood and its aftermath.

I wish festivals could help relieve some of the tectonic social pressures of the last few years, but as he points out, whether they are sanctioned events with artists, or just riots and worse, they're going to happen one way or another.

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> As for Burning Man and the transformational music & art festivals, these have exercised some of the festival’s authentic function – until recently, when their exile to online platforms stripped them of any transcendental possibility. Much as the organizers are doing their best to keep the idea of the festival alive, online festivals risk becoming just another show for consumption. One clicks into them, sits back, a…

I think the point of that passage is that “online” festivals no longer provide the function of the archetypal festival and are reduced to mere entertainment. Clearly, many festivals suffered this fate during the pandemic, and individuals accustomed to attending them had to go without or find alternatives.

Also, I’d argue that niche or underground “festival” activity doesn’t really live up the archetypal ideal anyway—traditional festivals cut across the societal spectrum.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what he means and you know it.

I’m honestly not sure what he means. I may disagree with most, but I’m just surprised about people stopping reading when they hear something they disagree with. It’s not even the central point of the article.

It's stopping reading at a sentence dripping with pseudo intellectualism. When writers try too hard to sound intelligent and erudite it's off-putting, and a "bullshit" indicator.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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I spent 4 marvellous days at a semi-private psychedelic trance festival in deep Russian woods this June, and I couldn't disagree more. I felt as if I witnessed an event of similar cultural significance as british late 80s raves were back in their day, but the one that nobody outside of the community really knows anything about.

The festival culture is alive and well, it's just got a little bit private, as it tries to conceal itself from authorities and masses. Burning Man, as well as many other festivals that attracted crowds lost a lot of intimacy and implied freedom; I just don't believe that you could feel the same way in a commercial festival that has more than a thousand of attendees.

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