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Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

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Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

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This is such a BS lawsuit. It would be so much better for consumers if they had instead looked into googles firebase and play services shenanigans.

I don't think this suit makes it any less likely that various governments will come after that angle also. There's quite a lot of anti-(Google|Facebook|Amazon) sentiment floating around in various government entities right now. I assume it must resonate with voters.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

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After my S5, an SSD, and a Samsung TV, I've learned that Samsung delivers medium/low quality products at high prices through relentless marketing. Any company that needs to advertise as much as Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo should be cause for skepticism.

You lost me at Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo. I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much. Similarly with Nintendo, they seem to deliver consistently higher quality than competitors. They may not be as fast but they last…

> I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much.

Every MBP/MBA/MB had design flaws. From butterfly keyboard to discrete GPU, only 1 port (USB-C, for battery), etc. They fixed the keyboard problem finally, but from 2016-2019 it was terrible.

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> But Nintendo is notorious for releasing low quality stuff with their IP skinned on it. Nintendo is also widely praised for consistently releasing innovative gaming platforms at fair prices. And that's what they tend to market and invest in heavily - I've never seen an advertisement for any of their low-quality cash-grab toys (which, yeah, they do exist, and they do suck...). > A product isn't more than it's quality…

Take a marketing class to defend yourself from corporate brainwashing. Nintendo has been literally brainwashing us since we were babies and had no concept of marketing. I'm not even talking about hardware specs. The switch has joycon issues, expensive games that are mediocre, and for some reason you confuse investment and innovation with quality. Wasting money and bad ideas are not qualities. I used to be a Nintendo…

Or, perhaps, you are not in touch with how people evaluate and experience products, unless your intent is dry humour.

People love the Switch and loved games like BOTW , Mario Odyssey, etc. because they were the best products Nintendo had shipped in 20 years.

I hadn’t owned a Nintendo console since the SNES, thought the Wii was “meh”. They knocked this one out of the park - they managed to make a portable gaming device relevant in a world where everyone has a smartphone. Part of the challenge is that the completion largely do not build portable gaming devices.

Apple and Samsung also consistently rank very high in tech support and customer satisfaction indexes. Let’s look at the main alternatives in the smartphone space: Pixel, LG, Motorola, Xiaomi, Huawei. Are these paragons of quality? Or are you comparing against an imaginary standard of quality?

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Nintendo might not release cutting edge hardware, but they're pretty much the only big video game company left that doesn't openly release half finished games with the intention to maybe fix them a few months later.

This stopped being true with the Switch.

Gonna need sources on that claim

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After my S5, an SSD, and a Samsung TV, I've learned that Samsung delivers medium/low quality products at high prices through relentless marketing. Any company that needs to advertise as much as Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo should be cause for skepticism.

Samsung SSD prices are in line with other vendors. The Galaxy Note II was a very high-quality smartphone. Can't say anything about Samsung TVs, never owned one.

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You lost me at Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo. I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much. Similarly with Nintendo, they seem to deliver consistently higher quality than competitors. They may not be as fast but they last…

I could see where you were coming from because Apple doesn't offer budget hardware and it's easy to mistakenly compare a $1000 laptop with a $500 laptop that doesn't have a video card. But Nintendo is notorious for releasing low quality stuff with their IP skinned on it. A product isn't more than it's quality metrics, if you believe so, I highly recommend taking a marketing class.

> it's easy to mistakenly compare a $1000 laptop with a $500 laptop that doesn't have a video card.

Lol, come on dude. "Yeah I can see where you're coming from, if you're an idiot it's easy to think Apple is good."

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> But Nintendo is notorious for releasing low quality stuff with their IP skinned on it. Nintendo is also widely praised for consistently releasing innovative gaming platforms at fair prices. And that's what they tend to market and invest in heavily - I've never seen an advertisement for any of their low-quality cash-grab toys (which, yeah, they do exist, and they do suck...). > A product isn't more than it's quality…

> But the products being heavily marketed by Nintendo do tend to be high-quality Didn't they have a few hardware related scandals. Like the famous joy control drift.

> Like the famous joy control drift.

Yep, but that's pretty much it. Every company—even the best of companies—have poor products. The analog sticks on the Switch are Nintendo's worst hardware in decades.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

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Careful taking lawsuit claims seriously. Especially then the claim drops from doing X to "attempting X" by paragraph 2 and by paragraph 6 is just being "willing" to attempt X.

All of the phrasing you take issue with is directly from the linked complaint. The complaint flatly alleges Google “bought off Samsung” (as quoted in the headline) and that Google was both willing to attempt to buy off Samsung and did indeed attempt to do so. They are the logical order of events, no? I can’t have bought someone off without first having attempted to buy them off and before that having been willing to…

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Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

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After my S5, an SSD, and a Samsung TV, I've learned that Samsung delivers medium/low quality products at high prices through relentless marketing. Any company that needs to advertise as much as Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo should be cause for skepticism.

I got my Samsung phone recently for ~$200 and it is absolutely amazing. I've had 4 by now from them, and they've all be great imo. Which companies produce better phones?

Any company that does major OS updates more than twice? Apple? Then again, Samsung doesn't try to deliberately slow my phone down or drain the battery. So no company I guess. Everyone is churning out pretty-looking garbage.

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This stopped being true with the Switch.

Gonna need sources on that claim

Super Mario Party was not up to their content standards—the minigames were good, but there were only 4 boards, and they were both tiny and dull. Animal Crossing is a mixed bag—it has stuff previous entries don't, and is missing a lot that previous entries contained. But that might have gotten derailed due to Covid. The Mario Golf game that just came out supposedly has minimal content too, but I haven't played it.

On the other hand, it's not universal—New Pokémon Snap is a sequel to a game that could be completed in ~5 hours, and is absolutely filled with content.

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