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On the Rock of Gibraltar
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#22Gibraltar’s airport is one of the weirdest and coolest I’ve ever seen: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2011/11/gibraltar-airport-worl... You just casually walk and drive across the runway a few minutes after a plane lands. Their ATC must have quite a lot on their plate. But Gibraltar has managed to efficiently pack a lot of services onto that one small rock.
I used to cross this at least twice a day going to and from school. One time as a teenager a friend and I were fart-arsing around very (very) slowly until a stern warning came over the tannoy and we looked Eastward to see a plane coming into land, much closer than we would have liked. Silly idiots.
Yeah it is very cool. I just crossed the runway one hour ago to go to the eroski supermarket.
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#23It seems to me central to the character of British imperialism, that the domination of geopolitically important region is pursued not because of some inert ethnocentrism but because they believe themselves to be the bearers of a superior social order and that spreading it is the Anglo-Saxon man's burden. Recently this national pride has turned into xenophobia and their prime minister seems more a character of the Mos…
How's the air up there? The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort, especially after the Border Closure brought about by the less than wonderful post-Franco Government. The Britain you're railing against hasn't existed as it does in your mind in 60 years.
> The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort
This is the exact same bull the English say for why they have army bases in North Ireland, they're supposedly at the mercy of the settlers they put in there. The six counties voted to stay in the EU, but England didn't seem to give a damn about that.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
How's the air up there? The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort, especially after the Border Closure brought about by the less than wonderful post-Franco Government. The Britain you're railing against hasn't existed as it does in your mind in 60 years.
> The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort This is the exact same bull the English say for why they have army bases in North Ireland, they're supposedly at the mercy of the settlers they put in there. The six counties voted to stay in the EU, but England didn't seem to give a damn about that.
But in this instance it's not 'bull'. Sadly, for much of the past few decades, the UK government hasn't really cared much for Gibraltar, after scaling back its global spread. Its contemporary value is much diminished and if were to go solo or partly/wholly into Spanish hands it would do so with certain military guarantees pertaining to naval access, etc.
The population of Gibraltar is one made up mostly of Mediterranean peoples from Italy, Malta, Spain, Portugal, etc etc - the actual number of 'Paleface Brits' there is small, especially after military scaling back since the mid 90s.
I'm sorry about what's happened in Northern Ireland - as a pseudo Celt myself, it's not a situation I look at and think "Hey, that's wonderful" - but it's not at all comparable to Gibraltar, which has an almost indigenous population - evolved, not transplanted - that happens to want to remain British.
How you feel about that is up to you - and them too, as is their right.
- ed. Ah, I wished I'd checked your previous responses prior to responding. I had it in mind you might be Irish, so was responding with that in mind. I suspect you might hail from a bit further East than Ireland... . You mention that Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU. As did Gibraltar. Gibraltar was the first result through and was something like 98% in favour of remaining. 'Unfortunately' in a democracy, majority rules dictate overall policy, and when the question is something as polarised and absolute as involvement in a supra-Governmental union, there's not much scope for picking and choosing where favourable.
It's shit when it's not 'in my favour' but that's democracy for you. Perhaps if Britain were more authoritarian things would be easier, but that would only lend itself more to the form of criticism you're levelling at it already. As the great philosopher Bart Simpson once said - "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to cross this at least twice a day going to and from school. One time as a teenager a friend and I were fart-arsing around very (very) slowly until a stern warning came over the tannoy and we looked Eastward to see a plane coming into land, much closer than we would have liked. Silly idiots.
Yeah it is very cool. I just crossed the runway one hour ago to go to the eroski supermarket.
You mean Presto? :)
(Then Safeways, then Morrisons, then something else I think, and now Eroski. I do love that Gibraltar has a Basque supermarket, within spitting distance of the border, haha :)
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
The locals had a referendum about reverting to Spain and overwhelmingly disapproved. In this case the local population wants to remain British. So it would be against self determination to return it to Spain. Same for Ceuta on the Spanish side of things, or, is Ceuta diffetent?
I agree on the legitimacy of the overwhelming results of the Gibraltarian sovereignty referendums, but Ceuta and Melilla are indeed different. They are integral parts of Spanish territory as much as the Scilly Islands are integral parts of the UK.
I must admit, I don't understand why Gibraltar doesn't have this status within the UK. Falklands et al too. Especially now, in the post-Brexit era.
France and Holland do as much with their otherwise-described colonies abroad.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's great fun - it was going to be changed when the joint airport was planned with a relief road going around and under it, in a way, I'm glad they didn't do that. It's also the runway for the RAF base, and holds the record for airport closest to the town centre it serves, at 500m.
The tunnel is actually still on, and should be completed by the end of the year.
Oh wow - last I heard it kept being delayed. It'll be much better for traffic, but the cool factor of "I'm waiting at a level crossing FOR A PLANE" will be lost .
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
How's the air up there? The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort, especially after the Border Closure brought about by the less than wonderful post-Franco Government. The Britain you're railing against hasn't existed as it does in your mind in 60 years.
> The UK government's been half-heartedly trying to offload Gibraltar for decades now, but the local populace have pretty much unanimously set against any such effort This is the exact same bull the English say for why they have army bases in North Ireland, they're supposedly at the mercy of the settlers they put in there. The six counties voted to stay in the EU, but England didn't seem to give a damn about that.
the UK government has tried handing off NI at least three times in the last century
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
The border has been opened since 1982, what post-Franco Government issues are you talking about? Speaking of Gibraltar, UK occupied the Isthmus of Gibraltar in 1815, where Spain's Government ceded the Isthmus for the duration of a yellow fever epidemic... And it's been occupied until now. I'm afraid the attitude of the UK with respect to the rest of the world keeps being the same. Some examples: - Brexit and post-neg…
So you're familiar with the Guarda Civil's regular incursions into Gibraltar waters and their frequent games at the border, slowing things down so that crossing takes many, many hours? Such actions happened prior to the treaty of Maastricht in '92 and during Britain's membership of the EU and has continued post-Brexit and will do ever more, I imagine. Gibraltar's a handy distraction whenever Madrid has problems it'd…
Colonial politics of UK has been kept alive even during XXI century: Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, etc. The issue here is that the people in UK has been "educated" in thinking that the British Empire was a good thing, instead of thinking what it was: "a brutal and slaving war-machine".
ed - ah, you're British? Gotcha.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're familiar with the Guarda Civil's regular incursions into Gibraltar waters and their frequent games at the border, slowing things down so that crossing takes many, many hours? Such actions happened prior to the treaty of Maastricht in '92 and during Britain's membership of the EU and has continued post-Brexit and will do ever more, I imagine. Gibraltar's a handy distraction whenever Madrid has problems it'd…
Colonial politics of UK has been kept alive even during XXI century: Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, etc. The issue here is that the people in UK has been "educated" in thinking that the British Empire was a good thing, instead of thinking what it was: "a brutal and slaving war-machine". ed - ah, you're British? Gotcha.
I hope you apply as critical a reflection to your own country, wherever it is, as you do Britain. I'd be curious to know why you think the general British populace is so self-revelatory - did you or do you now live here? Was that your experience? I'm sorry if so. It is not mine.
Honestly, the only historical self-congratulation I've ever much seen outside of morons in Brits is to do with scientific, cultural or social progress. I don't think most of us have much of hard-on for militaristic events that happened over a hundred years ago.
And, let it be said, as much as her excesses were, Britain's were not unique in the world. Every cunt plays their game. At least we have some small positives added.
- ed: deleted an entirely irrelevant word.