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When working from home is toxic

morgan.zoemp.be

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Re: When working from home is toxic

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> My concern with such a chart is that not everyone has a home office that looks as good as a traditional workplace. In addition, interruptions happen at home too and chatting with coworkers is not a problem per se.

I wish every person arguing for or against home office would open their comment detailing what their home setup looks like. As someone living in an apartment with no backyard and a small desk placed in the intersection of my kitchen and living room (aka "the one room that is not the bedroom"), losing my office has more cons that pros.

At the same time, I am fully aware that the "my office" part of my previous sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Those cursed with an open office plan are probably enjoying now those benefits I've been missing for a year now.

If only there was an accepted "working environment checklist" that we could all use...

Re: When working from home is toxic

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Every single problem listed with working from home also applies to at least some subset of office environments.

At least with a home office I can attempt to make my environment better instead of just accepting whatever my employer provides.

Re: When working from home is toxic

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I have been WFH since 2005 across 4 jobs. There has always been a little anxiety when the jobs ended that I would not be able to find a new one.

I am holding out hope that the ratio of WFH jobs will remain permanently increased after this, even if it isn’t a tectonic shift.

Re: When working from home is toxic

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As someone with narcolepsy, the pandemic is the single most wonderful-terrible thing that could have happened. When the black plague struck Europe, the survivors found themselves inheriting immense wealth. I feel sort of similarly, because for the first time I can participate normally in a traditional office environment -- because the tradition is now to use Zoom and not to have your ass in a seat from 9 to 5. I wake up each day not quite believing my luck.

I really empathize from the other angle too, where people who are used to a normal environment don't want to WFH. But a lot of their hatred may be due to their awful environment they put up with. (A lot of it might not be, either! Different people like different things.)

As I said elsewhere, a lot of people seem to feel they can't change it, or they put up with distractions, or they don't worry about setting boundaries, or the equipment is subpar compared to the office.

One day my wife and I set a trap for my father in law. I nudged her to keep working, since she had unconsciously started fooling around online because of the inevitable story that FIL was going to walk in and tell, like clockwork. The moment he came in to tell his story without asking, I said "Heyo! So, I didn't understand until a few days ago, but it's best that, before you do this, mentally teleport yourself into her office and imagine you're standing next to her coworkers."

It made all the difference, and I haven't seen him do it since. He was super understanding too. I'd been guilty of the same thing; it's easy to forget that WFH means "you need office boundaries at home."

Re: When working from home is toxic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see how that can quite easily be viewed as gatekeeping. Having a "spare" room or a rented coworking space to use as a remote office is a luxury of the middle/upper class. I can see your logic, and I can see how it would be more profitable for companies when hiring remote, but at the end of the day, there are many profitable things a company can do that they are not (technically, see: "legally") allowed to do, f…

A company can still hire unverified workers though if they want.

But that doesn't address the issue that there would be a legal way for companies to discriminate based on your wealth, regardless if they do it or not.

"filter for applicants with a remote office" is virtually 1-to-1 with "filter for middle/upper class applicants", which of course is unacceptable according to our modern view on social mobility and egalitarianism.

Re: When working from home is toxic

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These articles are so low quality. Some ppl WFH better, some ppl prefer an office. This isn't ground breaking philosophy and the endless articles repeating the same basic idea is just boring now. /rant

Re: When working from home is toxic

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Many of the things the article mentions are also an issue if working from an office (clearly author has never had the office next door undergoing noisy renovations).

Some others are due to an improper setup: no door/ private space can also be an issue in an open-plan office and at home, if faced with the prospect of long-term wfh, one can and should condition a proper, closeable space to work in. This mitigates most of the distraction-oriented complaints.

As to “i’m always working” - what’s needed here is the discipline of closing your computer at X time. Having a separate space really helps with that, otherwise just close the computer and chuck it in a drawer.

I fully understand wfh is not for everyone. However, one must realize when the main benefit of an office is imposing on you the discipline you’d need to have on your own if working at home.

Re: When working from home is toxic

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post #22

Every single problem listed with working from home also applies to at least some subset of office environments. At least with a home office I can attempt to make my environment better instead of just accepting whatever my employer provides.

I agree. I have more autonomy and even though OP suggested all the wonderful things an employer provides, that's not always the case and people shouldn't take it for granted.

Re: When working from home is toxic

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As someone with narcolepsy, the pandemic is the single most wonderful-terrible thing that could have happened. When the black plague struck Europe, the survivors found themselves inheriting immense wealth. I feel sort of similarly, because for the first time I can participate normally in a traditional office environment -- because the tradition is now to use Zoom and not to have your ass in a seat from 9 to 5. I wake…

It is really hard to enforce office boundaries on two year olds. He doesn't seem to care no matter how many times I sit him down to tell him I need to work.
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