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Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who would aquire a piece of pretty niche software to use strategically as a spying platform? Is the information that can be gained really worth that much?

Browser extensions with 10k users are routinely acquired as a "spying platform".

So information from as few as 10k or 100k users have any value? What is it that is gathered and sold, and in what form?

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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1) that's whataboutism 2) people complain about Firefox as well and many are avoiding Firefox as a result, blocking Firefox's connection to Mozilla with various tools, etc.

> people complain about Firefox as well Not nearly as vehemently as with Audacity.

Look mate, the ten people that use Firefox are not going to be as vocal.

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the GP was saying was that there was no essential technical reason for Firefox to send telemetry data to Mozilla (unless you're connecting to Mozilla). And yet, Firefox does this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientid

1) that's whataboutism 2) people complain about Firefox as well and many are avoiding Firefox as a result, blocking Firefox's connection to Mozilla with various tools, etc.

> "that's whataboutism"

So what? The counter argument is that people are being hypocritical with their criticism towards Audacity here.

Why are you okay with some applications collecting telemetry, but not with others?

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Seems as though crash reporting is now deemed harmful. Strange take by the community.

Always has been. That is, crash reporting that happens automatically, without user's consent.

It's not people suddenly objecting a standard practice - it's another episode of the ongoing fight against attempts to normalize this practice.

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Seems as though crash reporting is now deemed harmful. Strange take by the community.

No, people are think that them collecting "Data necessary for law enforcement, litigation and authorities’ requests (if any)" harmful.

That has nothing to do with crash reporting, and there is no sane reason for a desktop, offline audio editor to collect such data.

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the GP was saying was that there was no essential technical reason for Firefox to send telemetry data to Mozilla (unless you're connecting to Mozilla). And yet, Firefox does this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientid

Yes, and I agreed with that in my comment. My point is that the software already hands out some data by its core function, so users are generally accepting of losing a little more data as long as it seems reasonable. It's the psychology of "well, it's already sharing some data. what's the harm in a little more?" There will always be people that want minimal data sharing, and I'm one of them, but the vocal minority ar…

Agreed, we are conditioned to have different expectations from software which inherently deals with the network, like a web browser, than software which is inherently offline like a audio editing program.

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Fork incoming.

Forks there are a few.

What you need is a fork which is sustainable, trustworthy and manages to pulls users towards itself.

On the last point: just a few weeks back I ran into somebody still using OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice. Audacity is referenced from many magazines and targets non-geeks to a large part.

Re: Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner

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Fork incoming.

Shouldn’t DARPA or the National Security Agency fund 3-4 developers full-time to fork it and start improvements that will be so sexy that the russian version fades away? If they are so concerned about national security… that seens like a low hanging fruit.
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