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Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by dkdk8283 » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 8:42 AM UTC

redis_mlc wrote: post #5

- DevOps originally was supposed to eliminate Operations (Sysadmin) staff by involving Dev with the Infra and Release process. - But Dev is incentivized to create features, not know the intricacies of Release at scale, so dedicated Devops (Operations) teams were again staffed - dedicated DevOps teams are here to stay except in certain unique scenarios. For example, I've seen some Indian-led SV startups that hate Oper…

I think devops will always be needed in some incarnation for companies that are subject to SOX and SoD.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by dkdk8283 » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 8:44 AM UTC

xrayarx wrote: post #10

No full author name in the article, nonsense article.

Comment makes me think real names are required for credibility. In these times posting as a moniker is more important than ever given the low bar for termination in today’s culture.

Lack of a name means absolutely nothing IMO.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by hulitu » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 8:50 AM UTC

Miiko wrote: post #18

Could anybody explain what's the point of using 50% gray for main text font? Does it really look good to somebody besides the designer?

New UI/UX. Readable text is so old fashioned.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by karmakaze » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

> [...] DevOps is dead; the amount of DevOps engineers [...]

Post misses the point of DevOps--there aren't DevOps engineers, there are engineers that do their own devops.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by nodejs_rulez_1 » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

karmakaze wrote: post #24

> [...] DevOps is dead; the amount of DevOps engineers [...] Post misses the point of DevOps--there aren't DevOps engineers, there are engineers that do their own devops.

I waited and learned it for a bit but nobody seems to be raising salaries for me to know that crap in addition to other full-stack stuff, so NO, there are DevOps engineers and they get good money for me not to deal with that garbage for essentially free.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by ram_rar » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:25 AM UTC

Its a very poorly written article with all the buzzwords one can think of. DevOps is not even remotely close to dead, but rather evolved a lot. Gone are the days, when one could easily ssh into remote prod systems and fix the issue. With shell less Docker images and container orchestration tools (hashicorp stack), CI/CD pipelines, blue-green deployments etc, Devops has become a lot more sophisticated than before.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by pawelduda » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:31 AM UTC

hulitu wrote: post #23

Miiko wrote: post #18

Could anybody explain what's the point of using 50% gray for main text font? Does it really look good to somebody besides the designer?

New UI/UX. Readable text is so old fashioned.

UX is dead but what will replace it?

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by MattGaiser » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

Wouldn't the devops guy just be the person to handles the setup of all that automation? That is what devops is at my company.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by hutrdvnj » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

ram_rar wrote: post #26

Its a very poorly written article with all the buzzwords one can think of. DevOps is not even remotely close to dead, but rather evolved a lot. Gone are the days, when one could easily ssh into remote prod systems and fix the issue. With shell less Docker images and container orchestration tools (hashicorp stack), CI/CD pipelines, blue-green deployments etc, Devops has become a lot more sophisticated than before.

> Gone are the days, when one could easily ssh into remote prod systems and fix the issue. With shell less Docker...

I think we finally realized that fixing something in prod via ssh is not a good solution and might introduce new bugs on its own. Rather build an infrastructure that allows you to rollback fast. It is also not worth to fix individual machines in a big cluster, just throw them away and bootstrap them from zero. This way you make sure that you don't have accumulated patches and workarounds on your nodes that might lead to future failures. In some companies we reached the point where you don't even fix a cluster in a multi-cluster setup, but throw away the whole damn thing and bootstrap it from zero.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by peakaboo » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

ram_rar wrote: post #26

Its a very poorly written article with all the buzzwords one can think of. DevOps is not even remotely close to dead, but rather evolved a lot. Gone are the days, when one could easily ssh into remote prod systems and fix the issue. With shell less Docker images and container orchestration tools (hashicorp stack), CI/CD pipelines, blue-green deployments etc, Devops has become a lot more sophisticated than before.

You say sophisticated but in reality, it has become extreamly complex, which is a natural consequence of using tons of different tools and glueing them together.