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A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

nivertech wrote: post #9

Is there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from t…

It does make one wonder if some of the later attestations of Crimean Gothic language survival in the area might actually be people mistaking spoken Anglo-Saxon as Gothic.

Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Post by pjmlp »

prox wrote: post #19
Nicholas_C wrote: post #10

This saga would make for some very interesting historical fiction.

I really like the Netflix series “The last kingdom” , it is a nice blend of both!

If not done yet, then watch Vikings, and afterwards try to see how common facts are portrayed across both series, and cross check with the historical facts.

I had lots of fun doing that.

Somehow we had to get busy at home during these last year. :)

Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Post by prox »

pjmlp wrote: post #22
prox wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like the Netflix series “The last kingdom” , it is a nice blend of both!

If not done yet, then watch Vikings, and afterwards try to see how common facts are portrayed across both series, and cross check with the historical facts. I had lots of fun doing that. Somehow we had to get busy at home during these last year. :)

Going to do that! Vikings is on my list now :)

Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Post by herewulf »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #14
djbebs wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By this time a significant pprtion of the varangian guard were actually anglo saxon.

for all the fanfare the vikings get, the anglo-saxons were nearly as infamous as raiders and pirates, although usually in a slightly earlier era. Consider how they came to conquer and settle England.

Yes, indeed. Consider also the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were culturally and ethnically similar to the Vikings (whom the Anglo-Saxons collectively referred to as "Danes" despite also coming from Norway and Sweden). The Danelaw[1] had resulted in significant intermixing of Anglo-Saxons and Danes, and by 1066 England had had two Danish kings.

It's completely unsurprising that Anglo-Saxons integrated well into the Varangian Guard.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

Re: A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)

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Post by herewulf »

mc32 wrote: post #5
caf wrote: post #3

Although the name 'New England' is now firmly associated with the east coast of America, this is not the first place to be called that. There's at least one other New England, which in confusing piece of geography is a region within a much larger New South Wales.

It looks like the one on the Crimea was ‘Nova Anglia’ Or maybe it was Neowe Anglland. Interesting that they sailed to escape the rule of the defeated king’s brother who it seems promised William to ‘hold the throne’ for him but kind of reneged on that so William went over and conquered it like a conquistador.

William's claim was rather tenous. The Norman Conquest barely succeeded after narrowly winning the Battle of Hastings. The English had put down a rebellion in the north in the preceeding weeks, then just prior to the Battle of Hastings Harold Godwinson defeated a viking invasion at Stamford Bridge, and in a few short weeks force marched from Northern England to Hastings to meet William. It still took the Normans all day to defeat the battered and tired English army, but the resulting slaughter of English lords left a power vacuum and England ripe for the Norman's picking.

P.S.: "New England" properly rendered in Old English would be "Níw Englaland".

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