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Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by Geezus_42 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 2:13 AM UTC

cstrat wrote: post #14

tinkertamper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put it this way, I was backer #816. They currently have 37,987 backers. They raised $4,882,784 during a global pandemic. I think I’m not off base when I said “If you can get one.”

No one has one - none have shipped. Your backer position is irrelevant right now. If they had released a batch of 2000 and you missed out, yes I'd be upset. They are still fine tuning their tooling to mass produce. It's way behind schedule, but with everything on kickstarter - allow for 2x the time to avoid disappointment.

They also let you pick which batch yours would come from.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by cstrat » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 3:31 AM UTC

freen wrote: post #20

cstrat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is in the same boat - they are taking time with production. At least they are communicating and showing the effort that is going into production. This is 100x better than some of the other products I've `backed` on crowdsourcing platforms.

Frankly, I feel like the blog posts and updates Aline are worth the price of the doohickey itself. I’ve learned so much about electronics manufacturing!

Learned so much and turned me off ever wanting to manufacture something!

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by teclordphrack2 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 3:52 AM UTC

cstrat wrote: post #10

I loved their post on the iButton. https://blog.flipperzero.one/taming-ibutton/ I've never actually come across this interface. It's not common in Australia, I still really enjoyed the write up and seeing how they overcame the difficulties.

I've seen the same or similar lock device on fast food safes.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by lmm » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

cstrat wrote: post #14

tinkertamper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put it this way, I was backer #816. They currently have 37,987 backers. They raised $4,882,784 during a global pandemic. I think I’m not off base when I said “If you can get one.”

No one has one - none have shipped. Your backer position is irrelevant right now. If they had released a batch of 2000 and you missed out, yes I'd be upset. They are still fine tuning their tooling to mass produce. It's way behind schedule, but with everything on kickstarter - allow for 2x the time to avoid disappointment.

We shouldn't normalize this stuff.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by OhSoHumble » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:38 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #24

cstrat wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has one - none have shipped. Your backer position is irrelevant right now. If they had released a batch of 2000 and you missed out, yes I'd be upset. They are still fine tuning their tooling to mass produce. It's way behind schedule, but with everything on kickstarter - allow for 2x the time to avoid disappointment.

We shouldn't normalize this stuff.

While I understand that there has been a long history of Kickstarter projects underdelivering or not delivering at all... I would think the context of a global pandemic causing record resource shortages would allow cutting these guys some slack, yeah?

I mean, if Nvidia and AMD can't get a graphics card into my hands over the course of a year then I can't imagine a super tiny group of engineers would have much luck bootstrapping the supply chain for their brand new product.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by SavantIdiot » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:51 AM UTC

Reminds me of the early days of the Pineapple before everyone switched to WPA2 (yes, I know you can attempt to have the cloud crack WPA2 after getting enough IVs but APs are smart enough to know when someone is issuing resets). Hack5 makes some great stuff, but almost everything they is now obsolete due to improved sec. Well, I guess in non-US countries where the hardware is older.

I think Flipper0 it'll be fun for playing with garage door openers, or maybe some local havok on non-NIST cert'd NFC cards, but I don't really see much else. BLE has bonding and Wi-Fi has TLS1.3 for embedded (smaller ciphersuites), so no go there, and flash programmers already spoken for. Sooo.. what am I missing?

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by Dylan16807 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:54 AM UTC

tinkertamper wrote: post #16

mynameisvlad wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because they raised 4 million dollars doesn't mean they are immune to a global supply chain shortage. It's only 5 months late, it's like you've never backed a Kickstarter before.

Ok, it’s clear where you stand. I’m not here to be negative, only to share with folks interested in the product that they are significantly back logged. Hopefully everyone knows what the means in a Kickstarter context. Their marketing is great, the jury is still out on their actual product.

If you're not here to be negative, then 1) don't say "no sign of getting it" and "I've given up" about something that's going through the early to medium stages of production with lots of updates, and 2) don't just say you ordered it "last April" without even mentioning that it was already expected to take 10 months even then.

"If you can get one. They're behind schedule and haven't shipped any yet." would have been fine.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by lmm » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:11 AM UTC

OhSoHumble wrote: post #25

lmm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn't normalize this stuff.

While I understand that there has been a long history of Kickstarter projects underdelivering or not delivering at all... I would think the context of a global pandemic causing record resource shortages would allow cutting these guys some slack, yeah? I mean, if Nvidia and AMD can't get a graphics card into my hands over the course of a year then I can't imagine a super tiny group of engineers would have much luck bo…

The fact that Nvidia and AMD are having trouble highlights that supply chain financing is a risky business where even professionals lose their money. Requiring customers to take part in it as a condition for (eventually) buying the product feels icky to me.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by sschueller » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #12

tinkertamper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put it this way, I was backer #816. They currently have 37,987 backers. They raised $4,882,784 during a global pandemic. I think I’m not off base when I said “If you can get one.”

Just because they raised 4 million dollars doesn't mean they are immune to a global supply chain shortage. It's only 5 months late, it's like you've never backed a Kickstarter before.

They were lucky and had the orders for the chip in before the shortage. If they didn't the delay would be a lot greater than 5 months.

Re: Flipper Zero: How it’s made and tested

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Post by Rebelgecko » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:31 AM UTC

anon776 wrote: post #6

aphroz wrote: post #5

I like the way they communicate. It almost makes the wait enjoyable.

It has been a long wait, but I am really impressed with the amount of work they have put into this.

Agreed. The transparency into all the issues that come with manufacturing a real product makes the wait a lot more understandable-- it's clear they didn't just take the money and run. Honestly, I almost feel like I'm getting my money's worth just from the blog posts