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A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by gfodor »

34679 wrote: post #15
macspoofing wrote: post #3

>Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that the U.S. government believes that some of these objects are not human in origin. Huh??? How is that 'reasonable' to conclude. >This leaves two possibilities: either UAP are natural terrestrial phenomena or they are extraterrestrial in origin. Or a third option: Something else we aren't clever enough to think of. Maybe it's a sensor issue coupled with active human imagination.…

>If UAP originated from China or Russia and were a national security risk, their existence would have never been revealed to the public. I agree with that part. However, I think it's more reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government, which would perfectly explain why they don't really view it as a threat.

I don't think it's reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government under the condition that these objects are confirmed to be real and capable of pulling, say 100G. I think that reality, if confirmed, would leave us rather short on low-surprise explanations fully consistent with it.

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by rcarmo »

papito wrote: post #11
teraflop wrote: post #6

The "possible link" is that the author thinks 'Oumuamua might be aliens, and UAPs might be aliens, and therefore the two might be linked. That's it. There, saved you a click.

This is quality "many people are saying" content.

Would still be a worthy plotline in a Sci-Fi movie about Mankind being watched by ambivalently benevolent aliens who wish they could blend in and steer our evolution towards some unspecified lofty goal, except they’re stuck doing fly-by-wire inspections of military bases using their equivalent of quadcopters.

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by 34679 »

gfodor wrote: post #21
34679 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If UAP originated from China or Russia and were a national security risk, their existence would have never been revealed to the public. I agree with that part. However, I think it's more reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government, which would perfectly explain why they don't really view it as a threat.

I don't think it's reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government under the condition that these objects are confirmed to be real and capable of pulling, say 100G. I think that reality, if confirmed, would leave us rather short on low-surprise explanations fully consistent with it.

If it's confirmed that these objects are performing controlled maneuvers at 100Gs, then that would also confirm such a thing is physically possible here on Earth. Why would we need to make the leap that someone somewhere else must have brought them here?

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by javman »

nickdothutton wrote: post #16

This article is an ad for the guy’s book. If the article is representative then the book is not very good.

The book is not very good. It sounded interesting so I bought it – and it was the first book I've read where I was so disappointed that I wrote a one star review on Amazon. The review was rejected.

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by 34679 »

gennarro wrote: post #8

I’ve read the article twice now and I’m unclear on the link. Is it simply that these UAPs are appearing after the Oumuamua came by? Like the coincident time of the UAPs post the 2017 passby?

His "possible link", as far as I can tell, is that because Oumuamua is flat and tumbling, it could be a receiver, and because it could be a receiver, UAPs could be transmitters.

So, you didn't miss the link, because there isn't one.

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by macspoofing »

gfodor wrote: post #14
macspoofing wrote: post #3

>Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that the U.S. government believes that some of these objects are not human in origin. Huh??? How is that 'reasonable' to conclude. >This leaves two possibilities: either UAP are natural terrestrial phenomena or they are extraterrestrial in origin. Or a third option: Something else we aren't clever enough to think of. Maybe it's a sensor issue coupled with active human imagination.…

The specific claim is that if the US is acknowledging these objects publicly as real and denying they are of US origin, then it is likely they are not human in origin, because if they could possibly be adversaries, this would not be being disclosed. This is sound reasoning, but is based upon the beginning assumptions which are not yet fully determined to be true, and if determined to be true would not rule out non-hu…

>The specific claim is that if the US is acknowledging these objects publicly as real

'Real' as in those are 'real' videos (i.e. not created in photoshop or after effects). Not 'real' as in 'advanced technology like nothing else on Earth'.

>then it is likely they are not human in origin, because if they could possibly be adversaries, this would not be being disclosed.

No. If you see some phenom and it's not X, not Y, not Z, you can't say THEREFORE it must be 'Aliens'.

The default position is 'I don't know', not 'aliens'.

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by macspoofing »

34679 wrote: post #15
macspoofing wrote: post #3

>Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that the U.S. government believes that some of these objects are not human in origin. Huh??? How is that 'reasonable' to conclude. >This leaves two possibilities: either UAP are natural terrestrial phenomena or they are extraterrestrial in origin. Or a third option: Something else we aren't clever enough to think of. Maybe it's a sensor issue coupled with active human imagination.…

>If UAP originated from China or Russia and were a national security risk, their existence would have never been revealed to the public. I agree with that part. However, I think it's more reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government, which would perfectly explain why they don't really view it as a threat.

> I think it's more reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government, which would perfectly explain why they don't really view it as a threat.

You can't just conclude this. It could be other things like a sensor glitches. Or sensor confusion (e.g. tracking a bird heading in the opposite direction, or out of focus commercial plane). Or it could be something else entirely you aren't creative enough to think of.

The default position is "I don't know", not "Aliens" or "US Government" or "Unicorns"

Re: A Possible Link Between ‘Oumuamua and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

gfodor wrote: post #21
34679 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If UAP originated from China or Russia and were a national security risk, their existence would have never been revealed to the public. I agree with that part. However, I think it's more reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government, which would perfectly explain why they don't really view it as a threat.

I don't think it's reasonable to assume it belongs to the US Government under the condition that these objects are confirmed to be real and capable of pulling, say 100G. I think that reality, if confirmed, would leave us rather short on low-surprise explanations fully consistent with it.

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