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The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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Tangential question: in order to become educated/expert in some field (e.g. IT) one needs the freedom of doing research, free access to information, Internet, thus exposure to "western"/civilized values, human rights, etc... So how NK "produces" such experts behind the iron curtain?

The hackers have a lot more access to information than regular citizens because they need it to do their job, but it would be interesting to know how that affects the defection rate.

Probably higher than your average citizen without access to classified information, but not high enough to make defection a common occurrence that significantly hampers intelligence work. Some hackers may be disillusioned with the system, but most are socially conditioned to accept it as better than the alternative, imposed by external enemies and pressures, or not their problem. Defection is also not unique to authoritarian countries, see Snowden.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hackers have a lot more access to information than regular citizens because they need it to do their job, but it would be interesting to know how that affects the defection rate.

Probably higher than your average citizen without access to classified information, but not high enough to make defection a common occurrence that significantly hampers intelligence work. Some hackers may be disillusioned with the system, but most are socially conditioned to accept it as better than the alternative, imposed by external enemies and pressures, or not their problem. Defection is also not unique to autho…

There is not a country in the world that is not a tiny bit authoritarian, see Snowden.

Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11319750

At the time there was a Reuters report that he made it back to his wife after the days long ordeal thankfully.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-bangladesh-idINKC...

Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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what's so elite about them? >In January 2015, an innocuous-looking email had been sent to several Bangladesh Bank employees. It came from a job seeker calling himself Rasel Ahlam. His polite enquiry included an invitation to download his CV and cover letter from a website. In reality, Rasel did not exist - he was simply a cover name being used by the Lazarus Group, according to FBI investigators. At least one person…

I agree. Just a bit of social engineering and a trojan.

The main difference is that they know they have their country's backing and they don't need to account for that risk, allowing them to aim higher.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11319750

Hah; check the comments in linked thread about "Trump Effectively Inciting Violent Action among his supporters". Let's put aside our individual perspectives and interpretations on events of 2021 for a moment - either way it's fascinating that comment is from 2016 :O

Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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post #18

Tangential question: in order to become educated/expert in some field (e.g. IT) one needs the freedom of doing research, free access to information, Internet, thus exposure to "western"/civilized values, human rights, etc... So how NK "produces" such experts behind the iron curtain?

For one thing, a lot of North Korean hackers apparently live and work abroad. source: The Great Successor

Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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post #18

Tangential question: in order to become educated/expert in some field (e.g. IT) one needs the freedom of doing research, free access to information, Internet, thus exposure to "western"/civilized values, human rights, etc... So how NK "produces" such experts behind the iron curtain?

Bloomberg managed to interview a former NK cracker who defected, it's pretty interesting:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-02-07/inside-ki...

Re: The Lazarus heist: How North Korea almost pulled off a billion-dollar hack

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post #18

Tangential question: in order to become educated/expert in some field (e.g. IT) one needs the freedom of doing research, free access to information, Internet, thus exposure to "western"/civilized values, human rights, etc... So how NK "produces" such experts behind the iron curtain?

Exposure to “Western”/civilized values? What are you even talking about?

Yes you can learn to be a script kiddy and plan heists without having the pledge of allegiance as part of a balanced breakfast. Books and random websites and stuff!

Not to mention that people from NK or China don’t just explode from logic errors after discovering Facebook.

And yes people have ways of getting around internet blocking stuff for “reasons”. They get exposed to minion memes and come out without being totally radicalized.

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