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Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by BoardsOfCanada »

akmarinov wrote: post #2

Yeah, Apple is the worst at supporting things outside of California and especially localization. The last time Apple added support for a new language was iOS 4 and brought the number of supported languages to about 30. In the meantime Android does more than 180, with all sort of region specific dialects. Even Windows Phone supported 50 while it was around.

The thing I miss most from Android after moving to iOS is how well auto completion worked when mixing multiple languages. On iOS I so often start typing, notice that the keyboard is set to the wrong language, then when I change language the half typed word (that didn't autocomplete and made me realize I had the wrong language set) is then autocompleted in the language I'm switching FROM so I have to erase it and start over. Sigh, I'd think that enough apple developers were bilingual so they'd notice the problem. On Android I could just use swiftkey and type away without switching language in advance.

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Post by creshal »

LeffeBrune wrote: post #16

> Why would I type my native language with a foreign language keyboard? Would you type Russian with an American keyboard? Yes, I would, and I have been doing this all my life when no Russian layout is available. This is called transliteration, and I would argue most Russian speaking tech users used it at least once in their life.

Emphasis on "when no Russian layout is available". If anyone told you "no, this is the Russian layout", you'd still flip them off.

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Post by docdeek »

blowski wrote: post #6

> Would you type Russian with an American keyboard? I thought that was relatively common, just one of those things people are accustomed to.

Agreed. I type almost exclusively in English on a non-English keyboard.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by creshal »

bsaul wrote: post #3

The hypothesis never mentioned in the post, is i think that apple fears being kicked out of China for promoting cantonese or regional languages, going against the will of the CCP to make Mandarin the only official chineese language.

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Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by colordrops »

fredwu wrote: post #22

As a native Shanghainese speaker I am extremely confused (and curious!). Cantonese at least has a written form, but Shanghainese AFAIK has no written form, so what does "Shanghainese dialectal spelling" even mean? :\

This article definitely has a political subtext. Spoken Cantonese and mandarin are mutually unintelligible, but in written form, at least without colloquialisms, they are basically the same language. I'm a non-chinese that studied Chinese, so I have no horse in this race. I do think they should support the Cantonese input method, but there's no reason the pinyin method wouldn't work just as well, other than lack of familiarity. I'm sure Apple is excluding it at the behest of the mainland government, which sucks, but just this isn't as cut and dried as the article makes it.

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Post by blowski »

slver wrote: post #13

New rule, we ban the concepts of being "insulted" and "outraged" and we focus on constructive discussion from now on as a species. As for Apple, their localization is quite half-hearted for about half the world, so that's just how they roll, unfortunately.

Are there any times when it is acceptable to be insulted or outraged?

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by slver »

blowski wrote: post #28
slver wrote: post #13

New rule, we ban the concepts of being "insulted" and "outraged" and we focus on constructive discussion from now on as a species. As for Apple, their localization is quite half-hearted for about half the world, so that's just how they roll, unfortunately.

Are there any times when it is acceptable to be insulted or outraged?

I know it feels like too much, you just feel like being outraged sometimes, don't you? But trust me, we gotta try it for a few centuries and see how it works out. You'll be surprised by our progress.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by rado »

colordrops wrote: post #27
fredwu wrote: post #22

As a native Shanghainese speaker I am extremely confused (and curious!). Cantonese at least has a written form, but Shanghainese AFAIK has no written form, so what does "Shanghainese dialectal spelling" even mean? :\

This article definitely has a political subtext. Spoken Cantonese and mandarin are mutually unintelligible, but in written form, at least without colloquialisms, they are basically the same language. I'm a non-chinese that studied Chinese, so I have no horse in this race. I do think they should support the Cantonese input method, but there's no reason the pinyin method wouldn't work just as well, other than lack of f…

There are written differences. HK, Taiwan = Traditional, Mainland = Simplified.
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