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Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you block it?

curious as well? How to block Floc?

We should make a darkUI along the lines of prohibitive cookie policy modals that detect Chrome, and forces the FLoC in user's faces. It'll get ignored and be as useful as the cookie policy windows, but it'll be funny. Maybe add to the window "Don't like this message? Try Firefox instead!"

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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post #12

I'm curious, with third-party cookies being fased out, and alternatives like FLoC being met with resistance, could this drastically cut the size of Google's revenue's down? If the ads can no longer be accurately targeted, I imagine that would mean the main value of AdWords is no more, and that's the foundation that entire company is built on.

Minor correction: AdSense would be the product affected by this. AdWords (now Google Ads) is the ads shown on Google's search result pages, and are contextual (depending on the search). AdSense, AdMob and Google Ad Manager makes up Google's ad network, which accounts for a much smaller part of revenue (about 12%, where AdWords accounts for ~57% and YouTube ads ~10%).

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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If Firefox had larger market share, Chrome wouldn’t have been able to make this opt out for websites rather than opt in because it would have given them a bad public image. I don’t think it’s fair that some company gets to force every website maintainer (most aren’t extremely technical and just use Wordpress or something similar) on earth to muddle through documentation for their particular setups to 1) learn it exis…

> If Firefox had larger market share, Chrome wouldn’t have been able to make this opt out for websites rather than opt in

FLoC is only opt in for testing the proposal[0]. As a sibling comment says this is technically performative but publicly signals a stance against the proposal.

Though we also shouldn't forget that Amazon loves third party tracking and happily falls back to IP address associations if cookies aren't available.

Edit:

[0] https://developer.chrome.com/blog/floc/#take-part-in-a-floc-...

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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post #18

It's all pointless, it will win out eventually because it makes sense and Google isn't about to stop tracking you regardless of FLoC. All it does is disincentivizes smaller players from doing their own tracking which you'll have no control over anyway. Personally I don't see depersonalized targeting as a bad thing. Better than advertising dish washers to people who just bought a dish washer or some such nonsense.

That would annoy me less than seeing dish washer ads AFTER I bought the goddamned dish washer.

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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Why do we believe the Googs will actually honor this flag? If it's just an HTTP header, the browser can be made to just act like it's not there. All of these "flags" are essentially honor policy level things (just like robots.txt), but if the thing is not even told to look for the flag, there's nothing stopping from doing exaclty what is being asked not to do.

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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post #5

I know there is skepticism that the opt-out http header is useful. Mostly because the places deploying it wouldn't call the floc API anyway. But, it is certainly useful to publicly see floc sentiment. As far as I know, Amazon hasn't said anything publicly about floc, but now we know they are aware and doing something about it. I saw that GitHub and The Guardian also rolled out the header. Waiting for a website tracki…

As far as I understand the explicit call to FLOC will only be a requirement once it has gained traction. Right now Google is still using whatever they can to make it viable, so explicitly opting out is necessary for anyone who wants to be on the safe side.

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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post #18

It's all pointless, it will win out eventually because it makes sense and Google isn't about to stop tracking you regardless of FLoC. All it does is disincentivizes smaller players from doing their own tracking which you'll have no control over anyway. Personally I don't see depersonalized targeting as a bad thing. Better than advertising dish washers to people who just bought a dish washer or some such nonsense.

Always reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKdKcGJ4tM

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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post #24
post #18

It's all pointless, it will win out eventually because it makes sense and Google isn't about to stop tracking you regardless of FLoC. All it does is disincentivizes smaller players from doing their own tracking which you'll have no control over anyway. Personally I don't see depersonalized targeting as a bad thing. Better than advertising dish washers to people who just bought a dish washer or some such nonsense.

That would annoy me less than seeing dish washer ads AFTER I bought the goddamned dish washer.

They are just trying to help you out. They know there are "if you find it cheaper in the next 30 days, we'll refund the difference" policies out there. So those ads are actually much more helpful than you are giving credit. They can't help it you chose poorly and used a site that did not have that policy. /s

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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What I don't get about the reporting on this topic: Isn't all this opt-out stuff just necessary while Google is testing FLoC and it'll be opt-in(!) after it leaves Origin Trial phase? Or is this Google employee straight up lying* here? https://twitter.com/Log3overLog2/status/1384337637763387394?...

* I don't suspect he his.

Re: Amazon is blocking Google’s FLoC

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Why do we believe the Googs will actually honor this flag? If it's just an HTTP header, the browser can be made to just act like it's not there. All of these "flags" are essentially honor policy level things (just like robots.txt), but if the thing is not even told to look for the flag, there's nothing stopping from doing exaclty what is being asked not to do.

Chromium is open source? We still don’t control releases but having the open source version it should not be too hard to reverse engineer and see if they messed with it.
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