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Re: Stripe Tax

#21

Maybe someone from Stripe is reading the comments and can explain: why do refunds not reduce the reported tax collected? Are we supposed to keep separate records of that?

Presumably because it's hard to do correctly, and Stripe chose to focus on the easier part.

For example, I need to report VAT on the 15th of the second following month. If I got a refund after that date, I have already reported that tax, and I need to report a correction. I can't just report a lower tax the next time.

If you don't have a lot of refunds, then just paying taxes that you don't owe may be cheaper than handling it correctly (which is a lot of effort). And it may be the safer option -- nobody is going to fine you for paying too much tax.

Re: Stripe Tax

#22

Maybe someone from Stripe is reading the comments and can explain: why do refunds not reduce the reported tax collected? Are we supposed to keep separate records of that?

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Re: Stripe Tax

#23
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I was lucky to be part of the beta for my SaaS ( https://turnshift.app ) and I must say this new feature simplifies things A LOT. Especially as a EU business owner, I previously had to sync every VAT tax rate possible, use a complex workflow to know if a customer needed to pay taxes or not, link tax rates to customers, and create taxes reports for my accountant. Stripe tax does all of that automatically, based on the…

    report taxes. Stripe tax does all of that
It doesn't say they file the taxes for you. "Speed up filing and remittance with comprehensive reports" means they will help you with it, but not do it for you. Later on the website : "Stripe reports surface all the information you need for each filing location, so you can easily file and remit taxes on your own, with your accountant, or with a preferred partner.

US filing partner TaxJar EU filing partners Taxually Marosa"

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#24

Very happy to see this, it is such a necessary feature. I was recently looking for an option to enable VAT calculation in Stripe and couldn't believe it wasn't there. Now it is, and it looks very well done as Stripe's features usually are. But 0.5% fee per transaction is.. steep.

Yes, the 0.5% adds up. 0.5% for Billing, 2.9% + 30c per transaction, more if you add e.g. fraud for teams etc. Stripe is great and I use it too, but the way they charge you (a percentage of your revenue) is simply not that fair in the long run while their workload has a fixed cost per transaction.

Seems very fair pricing compared to competitors

Re: Stripe Tax

#25

Very happy to see this, it is such a necessary feature. I was recently looking for an option to enable VAT calculation in Stripe and couldn't believe it wasn't there. Now it is, and it looks very well done as Stripe's features usually are. But 0.5% fee per transaction is.. steep.

Yes, the 0.5% adds up. 0.5% for Billing, 2.9% + 30c per transaction, more if you add e.g. fraud for teams etc. Stripe is great and I use it too, but the way they charge you (a percentage of your revenue) is simply not that fair in the long run while their workload has a fixed cost per transaction.

Welcome to the world of saavy SaaS businesses. Smart/enterprising SaaS founders and businesses these days all know to tie their billing to whatever metric/KPI they are solving for customers -- per-seat billing, per-pageview, etc.

Why make a little money (even if it's 2-10x your cost) when you can make much more by taking a small-seeming percentage of every single that comes through your business. When your customer wins (and when they aren't winning you aren't a huge strain on their wallets) you win, and if the 0-5% eaten up by their bundle of SaaS products never matters to them, then you get wildly rich doing it and no one is angry about it, since the incentives are aligned. Then you plow that extra revenue (that you wouldn't have gotten from the simple 2x-10x your cost) into expanding your service offering so you deliver so much value (or perceived value) that moving away from your service just doesn't make sense.

This is HN and just about everyone and their mother knows this at this point, and has been living it for longer than I've been writing computers but I'll say it anyway -- Stripe is the dream SaaS company, essentially a financial middleman that no one hates (yet?). The SaaS promised land is a somewhat close cousin of the dystopian everyone-is-a-renter-and-only-a-few-own-the-capital future. Maybe the hand wringing I'm doing is wrong -- maybe it should have been the case all along that solution providers should have extracted a never ending royalty on the revenue generated by the solutions they provide. Not only service providers but maybe workers should want that (no one remembers pensions, but they kind of were this) too. Who knows.

If you can sell a music single album to 0.3% of America for $1, you get $1MM. If you do that with a Stripe store, Stripe gets ~$30k, for infrastructure that probably cost them less than $300 to host (for a single customer) and an ever-decreasing amortized amount to build (assuming they eventually stop growing their development workforce for growth stake). The artist that just made $1MM probably doesn't care about $30k as a millionaire (maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't).

It's a win-win, and it's why Stripe's goal is to increase the GDP of the internet.

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#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel like the value is worth with the fee Stripe is charging?

YES, considering the only best competitor in this space Paddle takes 5%. Taxes is the reason why in the past most EU/UK businesses go to Paddle. Stripe's Tax feature now saves people who were considering Paddle a lot of time now.

Do you know if Paddle files taxes for you? And just send you 1099? Or it is similar to Stripe Tax, they just collect and you have to file taxes?

Re: Stripe Tax

#28
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the 0.5% adds up. 0.5% for Billing, 2.9% + 30c per transaction, more if you add e.g. fraud for teams etc. Stripe is great and I use it too, but the way they charge you (a percentage of your revenue) is simply not that fair in the long run while their workload has a fixed cost per transaction.

Seems very fair pricing compared to competitors

Yep, Stripe prices its products pretty competitively and talks to many beta testers before we settle on pricing. I think even adding all this up, it's less expensive than merchant of record providers like Paddle.

Re: Stripe Tax

#29
post #23
post #5

I was lucky to be part of the beta for my SaaS ( https://turnshift.app ) and I must say this new feature simplifies things A LOT. Especially as a EU business owner, I previously had to sync every VAT tax rate possible, use a complex workflow to know if a customer needed to pay taxes or not, link tax rates to customers, and create taxes reports for my accountant. Stripe tax does all of that automatically, based on the…

report taxes. Stripe tax does all of that It doesn't say they file the taxes for you. "Speed up filing and remittance with comprehensive reports" means they will help you with it, but not do it for you. Later on the website : "Stripe reports surface all the information you need for each filing location, so you can easily file and remit taxes on your own, with your accountant, or with a preferred partner. US filing pa…

Thanks, I updated my comment.

Re: Stripe Tax

#30
Very excited about this, hoping to see hotel/rental taxes supported. Trying to figure out how different areas tax rentals is kind of a nightmare. Avalara offers this service but we couldn't get past their sales team to actually use their product
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