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Why we should end the data economy

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Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Explaining to people what they should do regarding matters that there are no ways to achieve the stated goals is the laziest, lowest value category of journalism. It's a plague.

There's a way to achieve the stated goals: have the government come down real hard both on the low-level data crime and the big players that are supposedly legit. Burn it all down.

"Burn it all down" as a solution — inevitably applied to cultures, systems or industries viewed from the outside — is also a plague of laziness.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Anyone know of a confirmed instance of: > They generate profits by ... selling [your personal information] to ... prospective employers ... ? This one seems unlikely but who knows.

It's indirect. Employers use one of many firms that do background checks, and those firms pay for access to the data.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Explaining to people what they should do regarding matters that there are no ways to achieve the stated goals is the laziest, lowest value category of journalism. It's a plague.

There's a way to achieve the stated goals: have the government come down real hard both on the low-level data crime and the big players that are supposedly legit. Burn it all down.

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Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhhh, you can stop using said services and software that abuse privacy, e.g., Facebook, Google, Twitter, TicToc, etc.

That doesn't end the data economy. It sort of ends part of your personal interaction with the data economy.

If enough people end their own interaction with it it ceases to exist, right?

If nobody gave their data to services that sell it on or use it for profit then there is no data economy.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Anyone engaged in the collection and sale of data should be required to maintain a list of their customers. Upon the sale of data, the customer should be required to provide their list to the broker. At the point of collection/consent, the list should be made available to the consumer.

For example: You want to vote in an online poll by company A. Company A collects data about you and sells it, so you must agree to their privacy policy. Company A's privacy policy discloses that they sell your data to Companies B, C and D. Companies B, C and D have provided a list of its customers to Company A, and Company A includes those lists as well. In addition, the customers of those companies provide lists (as all data brokers would be required to do).

If its seems like it could get overly complicated with huge lists of data brokers for a simple online poll, that's the idea. You shouldn't have to wonder how many entities you're giving access to your information when, for example, you want to vote for MLB All-stars. MLB wants your name, address, email, phone number, and they disclose they'll "share it with partners" but they don't say who those partners are, how many exist, and if they have their own "partners". Vote for your favorite player and you could be getting a phone call for life insurance 15 minutes later after your number has been passed through 5 different companies.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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We need to go back to the TV model. I mean we sold things back in 1995 right? You go to a website about babies, you get baby ads. You go to a website about electrified fences, you get ads for trucks, tractors, backhoe rentals (even in your area because of your IP address - but that's it) It's damn near equivalent to local / cable TV.

Does anybody know if targeted ads based on tracking even work? Are they worth all the extra cost and complexity compared to traditional ads? It doesn’t seem like it. Half the time I see a super-targeted ad, it’s for a product I already purchased.

Also, what ever happened to showing ads to people who aren’t already interested in your product to expand your brand and maybe bring in new customers? The current ad model feels overfitted to me.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Just have it so that any time a person or company's data is sold or leased, the company doing the selling must mail (via physical correspondence) the person or company with a notification of what data was sent and why.

People will get tired of the junk mail and companies will lose money trying to peddle data.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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People should own the data about them, and should be free to rent or trade usage of it to companies in exchange for money or services. Actual ownership should continue to rest with the person, however, who can revoke access the same way that a landlord can evict tenants or a worker can quit.

The biggest barrier to this has been that lots of valuable data (eg. Facebook's social graph, Android contact data) is data about relationships between people, not the people themselves, and so would logically have multiple owners. But that's not really a big barrier with modern technology: the crypto world solved multi-person ownership with multisig wallets several years ago.

Re: Why we should end the data economy

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Anyone know of a confirmed instance of: > They generate profits by ... selling [your personal information] to ... prospective employers ... ? This one seems unlikely but who knows.

It's indirect. Employers use one of many firms that do background checks, and those firms pay for access to the data.

If you're a background check company, it seems like a dangerous game to attempt to systematically match data from such unofficial sources to potential employees.

Aren't they opening themselves up to lawsuits if they match the wrong person to the wrong potential employee?

Additionally, isn't it illegal to decide to hire/not-hire based on a bunch of protected traits? (age, sex, orientation, religion, etc.)

It seems like a lot of the quoted information would be off-limits.

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