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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by CaptainZapp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations.

That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world.

I don't think that others, who want to travel the world really mind getting the necessary documentation.

The whole principle that you need to prove vaccination to be let into a country is not really new. And there's the yellow vaccine passport issued by the WHO, which exists for decades.

I needed to show proof for a yellow fever vaccination when travelling to Venezuela. And that was in 1989.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by Ciantic »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

You can still get in with a negative test even if no passports are recognized between EU / US. Getting tested maybe annoying for sure, but it's part of the scheme going to Switzerland, and presumably to EU also.

I think everything depends how long the covid is issue to the hospitals of the destination country. If the vaccines are very potent, as it looks like from in Israel, then it might be that most of Europe & US can already travel freely without passports at the end of year.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by ceejayoz »

imrehg wrote: post #7

The inoculation certificate validity is currently 180 days since the last jab (looking at the slide deck in the repo). That seems super short. Will people really need 2 courses of jabs each year (that is 4 jabs with most current vaccines)?

New York's was 90 days, then 180, then a year. They've been extending it as the data from the early clinical trial cohorts age.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by jollybean »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

British Colombia is wary of them on the basis of inequity, which is not unreasonable, that said, they may be doing something for international travel.

The Swiss thing looks kinda complicated, and likely hard for other countries to participate.

Easy Solution: issue a passport insert + seal.

Go to the hospital/clinic, show your passport, they give you a seal, a stamp, a number, and a signature.

The number can be typed into a computer to match with last name and first initial so border people can check.

The insert can be some kind of things that's hard to fake + the stamp would be required.

Alternatively - you take a doctor's note down to the DMV and they issue you a little temp/card/id with your name and photo.

So there's a 'central standard' but no overarching bureaucracy.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by heywherelogingo »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

The UK has also ruled it out. I wouldn't use one - emigrate or never travel. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/30/uk-vaccine-p...

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by Pyramus »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #21
mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations. That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. I don't think that others, who want to travel the world r…

> The whole principle that you need to prove vaccination to be let into a country is not really new.

Exactly. Necessary and recommended vaccinations are one of the first things to check when planning a trip to destinations in Africa, South East Asia etc.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by traspler »

zuas wrote: post #3
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

Seems complex for something that probably never going to see any real use.

It's supposed to go live next Monday / by the end of the month. We'll see. Let's just say im very skeptical when it comes to IT-projects of the Swiss government. They regularly waste 100s of millions of CHF on stuff that simply doesn't work. https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releas...

The framework and broad specification came from the EU through their EU Green Pass project so we have at least reduced fuck-up risk ;)

I was sceptical if they manage to actually deliver as fast as they promised especially as the EU guidelines and specs were were general/rough just a month ago.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by tpm »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

EU internally will use the so-called covid green pass however being vaccinated will not be a condition for travelling: https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

I think the same logic will apply for visits from rest of the world.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by traspler »

thepangolino wrote: post #14
imrehg wrote: post #7

The inoculation certificate validity is currently 180 days since the last jab (looking at the slide deck in the repo). That seems super short. Will people really need 2 courses of jabs each year (that is 4 jabs with most current vaccines)?

They pretty much have to keep this short. Anything more permanent and you open up the risk of "alternative" databases being build by nefarious third parties.

How does a short lifetime of the certs help with 3rd parties building these databases you mention?

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by mirekrusin »

Pyramus wrote: post #26
CaptainZapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations. That's certainly a possibility if safety really is a concern. But I'd wager that the average American anti Covid fanatic (the sort: Masks are fascism! It's like what the nazis did with the jews!) is not really the kind of person travelling the world. I don't think that others, who want to travel the world r…

> The whole principle that you need to prove vaccination to be let into a country is not really new. Exactly. Necessary and recommended vaccinations are one of the first things to check when planning a trip to destinations in Africa, South East Asia etc.

In many countries they don't accept kids to nursery without up to date vacinnation card.
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