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Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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So we basically are seeing that google was "right" from their point of view in securing a mobile OS. Facebook maybe thought this day would never arrive and could have avoided that by doing their own mobile OS too. Well, maybe they declared this battle as lost and focused on the next one: VR. Problem is that VR took too long to arrive and death on mobile can kill Facebook?

'...and death on mobile can kill Facebook?' Seriously wondering what impact this would have on the world other than a positive one?

Probably not positive for Facebook stock owner's world.

But I personally agree with you. My world will be better without it.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question is does google still collect the location data. And are they acting monopolistic here. My understanding is that even the latest version of android phones home your location in real-time. Which google uses itself for ads.

> Which google uses itself for ads Do you have a source? Google providing a location-based service for Android OS functionality is different from using it for ads.

Take a look at recently unsealed documents from court about google location.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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So we basically are seeing that google was "right" from their point of view in securing a mobile OS. Facebook maybe thought this day would never arrive and could have avoided that by doing their own mobile OS too. Well, maybe they declared this battle as lost and focused on the next one: VR. Problem is that VR took too long to arrive and death on mobile can kill Facebook?

'...and death on mobile can kill Facebook?' Seriously wondering what impact this would have on the world other than a positive one?

I'm not sure, going to a more monopolistic world still seems bad to me, even if I like and trust this particular player a little bit less than the others.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

if it has facebook and google assistant, isn't it really an (Android) smartphone which looks like a dumb phone?

It was KaiOS actually, that is based on FirefoxOS.

Unfortunately they went so hard on dumbphone specs that it ran poorly, kept crashing all the time because it kept running out of ram. (it had 256mb of RAM I believe, or 128, don't remember, one of the two).

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Corporate warfare in the internet age. Interesting to see how Apple and Google can materially impact FB.

I'm not sure this is effecting Facebook as much as they are making out. People are still using Facebook, posting pictures, tagging people they know, checking into locations, posting what they buy and so on. Still pently of information to track and sell to advertisers.

Ultimately we will see the effect by how much adverstising costs on FB relative to Google.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Why can't governments make tracking illegal? These companies that manipulate population into buying products they don't want or need are the mythical "broken window". Nobody mention how all this online business contributes to global warming. Factories produce useless products, that need to be stored, delivered, disposed of...

>Why can't governments make tracking illegal? Why would they? These companies are collecting the data the government wants, it's a free service for the government and they only have to ask for the data when they need it.

Because some company with a successful app can build a real time population census for a foreign government.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

if it has facebook and google assistant, isn't it really an (Android) smartphone which looks like a dumb phone?

It could be running KaiOS which is the 3rd most popular mobile phone OS, but not quite as functional as Android or iOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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The value of the location based tracking is overrated. Anyway, if you post an image to Facebook, Instagram or WhatsApp, the EXIF data has your location, or it can be solved from the content of the image.

I heard that Android strips the exif location data from images when opening them in other apps, but looking at the documentation, it might just be in the case that you use the camera intent.

I am assuming the file browsing permission bypasses any exif stripping - which maybe is why so many apps ask for it it...

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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The value of the location based tracking is overrated. Anyway, if you post an image to Facebook, Instagram or WhatsApp, the EXIF data has your location, or it can be solved from the content of the image.

With the exception of people who travel a lot, I really don't see why location, beyond what users enter into Facebook themself, would be particular useful. That seems to be the theme with Facebook, they collect a ton of information that isn't obviously useful. So what do Facebook know that the rest of us don't? Because the engineers at Facebook aren't stupid, they must have a reason for collecting all this stuff. Per…

I'm just guessing, but they should be able to infer several things by where you go during the day, such as your socioeconomic status based on the specific stores you frequent, for instance.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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But Google still gets that info, just not Facebook. How is this not abuse of its market position?

For me, it's a lesser evil thing I guess.

If I have to choose only between Facebook and Google, I'd choose Google to have my data.

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