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Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by spockz »

blakesterz wrote: post #4

..."Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features."... I only 1/2 follow Tesla stuff, but why are they still saying "Full-Self Driving" here? Aren't they asking for trouble? I'm referring to this: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-a...

Well, it is what the feature has been called for ages. So maybe by now it isn’t Full-Self Driving but the feature we call “Full-Self Driving”.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

wolpoli wrote: post #19
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

A self-driving car is defined as "a vehicle that is capable of sensing its environment and moving safely with little or no human input" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car , but Tesla's Full Self-Driving feature actually requires human input. This is confusing.

Yes, Tesla's "Full Self-Driving" is not autonomous enough to operate without you paying attention to the road at all times.

But they advertise it as if you can sleep in the driver's seat (I think they literally have said that in the past).

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by to11mtm »

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

I will honestly state I don't know the terms you buy a Tesla on, but it wouldn't surprise me if holding on to the vehicles impacted cash flow somehow.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by notJim »

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

A lot of people are speculating that the current delivery delays are due to a shortage of radar units, and that this timeline was rushed forward so that they don't have to wait anymore.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by siavosh »

I'm curious if any AI/vision researchers without a dog in the fight can share their thoughts if Tesla has any chance of a pure vision system where every other company I'm aware of is decking out their cars with LIDAR?

My personal impression is that given how cost prohibitive it is of putting LIDAR in every Tesla to their business model, they're relying on safety assist features with the hopes that ~~eventually~~ data can solve the problem? But are Waymo's/Cruise/et al. completely convinced that that's impossible in in the medium term future? Outside the consumer market, is the Tesla marketing considered impossible?

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Post by pavlov »

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

Tesla calls this feature "Full Self-Driving Capability" and pretends that the word "capability" is understood to mean it could eventually be capable of it, somehow.

It's like if Apple were selling a smartphone with 80 Megapixel Photo Capability, and the fine print reads:

"Devices equipped with 80MP Photo Capability do not have an 80MP sensor. The capability refers to the hardware's ability to potentially upscale images to this resolution. We don't yet ship software that enables the 80MP resolution."

(I was stupid enough to pay for this bullshit FSD feature on a Model 3. Nice car otherwise, but with Musk it's always caveat emptor.)

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by sfblah »

jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

If I were considering buying a Tesla I would 100% wait. Whatever you think of the company, their claims about what will happen in the future are often wildly optimistic in terms of timing. Better just to wait and see what they ship and whether/how well it works.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by dragontamer »

notJim wrote: post #26
jdsully wrote: post #3

> For a short period during this transition, cars with Tesla Vision may be delivered with some features temporarily limited or inactive I don't understand this, if its only a few weeks why not just wait? Tesla has been years late on this in the past so it's not very reassuring.

A lot of people are speculating that the current delivery delays are due to a shortage of radar units, and that this timeline was rushed forward so that they don't have to wait anymore.

Almost all car companies have declared that they're having supply chain issues: they're unable to source automobile chips. As such, various car companies have begun idling plants and otherwise shutting down production.

Tesla has not done this. Instead, Tesla suddenly stops shipping Radar units in their cars and then tells the customer that its an upgrade.

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