"The conversation ends up a monologue with me explaining decentralization to Thomas, who abruptly ends the conversation letting me know he’d like to speak later."
Where's that monologue? Why cut it out?
“Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
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Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#22As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?
It sounds like rasengan/Andrew Lee wanted a specific DNS change made which was objectionable to the staff, and that triggered the whole mess. I hadn’t seen it mentioned before but one of the chats from Thomas includes something about backing off from a DNS change.
DNS connection vlad tepes changing it sounds like Newton on a time bomb. Tagging people is never an illegal legal con pros assumption therefore luck is not the answer. Decode the system and apply pure power capacity mb to gb
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#23"The conversation ends up a monologue with me explaining decentralization to Thomas, who abruptly ends the conversation letting me know he’d like to speak later." Where's that monologue? Why cut it out?
Agreed. Also not sure why he chose to point out someone putting a pause on a conversation. People aren’t obligated to talk with you when you want them to.
It’s clear from later messages that Thomas had other things going on and I’m sure that conversation was not helping.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#24This is a self-post by the author of the document in question.
This site, HN, draws a line at personal insults, no matter how atrocious someone’s actions seem.
Please remain civil, no matter what others are saying.
(I don’t use Freenode or IRC at all, I don’t know any of the characters in this play, I have no horse in this race.)
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#25As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?
Hi this is Andrew from the post and freenode. Long story short, former staff were upset about a logo but the logos were there since the start. I wanted to share that. Secondly, staff claim there was a hostile takeover. I have owned freenode for years and was a great custodian as far as I can tell (only compliments from former staff some of which even flew into defcon and came to my house on my dime, internationally)…
Thank you for taking the time, Andrew.
I have noticed this pattern in many online communities which are controlled by one or small group of people, I think it's straight from the playbook.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#26I love IRC drama! It reminds me of the internet in the early 2000s.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#27As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?
Hi this is Andrew from the post and freenode. Long story short, former staff were upset about a logo but the logos were there since the start. I wanted to share that. Secondly, staff claim there was a hostile takeover. I have owned freenode for years and was a great custodian as far as I can tell (only compliments from former staff some of which even flew into defcon and came to my house on my dime, internationally)…
From what I've read it seems like you generally seem to have Freenode's interests at heart, but this seems like a complete communication failure. Most channels I've been a part of have moved to Libera Chat, so I don't think Freenode in its current form can recover from this.
Maybe you should consider incorporating it as a nonprofit and potentially a technology switch to Matrix? It would be nice to have a homeserver that people can rely on and isn't Matrix.org.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#28After reading both sides these days, somehow I feel Andrew is more trust-able and reasonable. I will stay with freenode.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#29As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?
Hi this is Andrew from the post and freenode. Long story short, former staff were upset about a logo but the logos were there since the start. I wanted to share that. Secondly, staff claim there was a hostile takeover. I have owned freenode for years and was a great custodian as far as I can tell (only compliments from former staff some of which even flew into defcon and came to my house on my dime, internationally)…
That's fine. We've already switched quite a few rooms to Libera.chat due to this debacle. More are moving as we speak.
I don't know who's right or who's wrong. What I do know is that a LOT of volunteer IRC OPs left en masse for "reasons". I know a few of them, and am inclined to trust them. I'll talk with them after the dust settles.
I know how to read the room, even though I don't have all the information. I helped migrate the rooms I'm frequent in. So far, it's been pretty smooth over on Libera.
Technology has almost never been about the tech - it's about the people. Always has been.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#30People that aren’t in the wrong don’t need to save face like you’re desperately trying to do.
All I can say is good luck running Freenode without its staff and sponsors.