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Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by onlyfortoday2 » Tue, May 18, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

vbtemp wrote: post #18

peter_l_downs wrote: post #2

In my experience, Stripe is full of very smart, interesting people, but most of what's described here is an aspirational view of how the current executives think product should work at Stripe. That's OK, in some sense any view of the "self" is going to be aspirational, but it seems naive/koolaidy to believe that all of the following things can be true at the same time (these are all quotes from the article): - "it’s…

Am I alone here in feeling like that all sounds incredibly exhausting and like a pretty draining place to work, and not-so-subtly seeks to attract workaholics? It's like there's lip-service to things that we as software engineers enjoy about our profession (eg craftsmanship, deep thinking, high-quality work), but it comes across as just throat clearing before hammering in "moving very, very fast". I read that constan…

nope! I agree with you 100%

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by jaxn » Tue, May 18, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

dbbk wrote: post #17

e_commerce wrote: post #3

Stripe needs to reduce fees

You can negotiate the fees

Really?!?

That actually pisses me off. Makes me feel like I have been wasting money

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by peter_l_downs » Tue, May 18, 2021, 11:36 PM UTC

jaxn wrote: post #22

dbbk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can negotiate the fees

Really?!? That actually pisses me off. Makes me feel like I have been wasting money

You can negotiate your fees with anyone, even the IRS. Don’t be mad, be happy that you’re about to save a bunch of money for the rest of your life.

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by ben-gy » Tue, May 18, 2021, 11:37 PM UTC

e_commerce wrote: post #3

Stripe needs to reduce fees

Stripe doesn’t “need” to do anything - you get what you pay for - pick a cheaper gateway with an inferior product if you’re willing to pay less for a lower quality outcome

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by dbbk » Tue, May 18, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

jaxn wrote: post #22

dbbk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can negotiate the fees

Really?!? That actually pisses me off. Makes me feel like I have been wasting money

I only know my company did it when negotiating switching over to them. I suppose it comes down to how big a customer you’re going to be to them.

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by e_commerce » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:31 AM UTC

ben-gy wrote: post #24

e_commerce wrote: post #3

Stripe needs to reduce fees

Stripe doesn’t “need” to do anything - you get what you pay for - pick a cheaper gateway with an inferior product if you’re willing to pay less for a lower quality outcome

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Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by GongOfFour » Wed, May 19, 2021, 2:40 AM UTC

natdempk wrote: post #11

One thing that stood out to me was the aspect of having a strong culture of writing. Could anyone talk about how Stripe's culture of writing works a bit more? How does this manifest in things like product decisions/direction, setting technical direction, designing systems/APIs, etc?

In particular I'd like to know how document management happens, are these just Google Docs? I've participated in some OSS projects with Googlers and they love to put together crazy heavy Google Docs.

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by rashidujang » Wed, May 19, 2021, 3:24 AM UTC

GongOfFour wrote: post #27

natdempk wrote: post #11

One thing that stood out to me was the aspect of having a strong culture of writing. Could anyone talk about how Stripe's culture of writing works a bit more? How does this manifest in things like product decisions/direction, setting technical direction, designing systems/APIs, etc?

In particular I'd like to know how document management happens, are these just Google Docs? I've participated in some OSS projects with Googlers and they love to put together crazy heavy Google Docs.

Do you mind sharing some examples of these Google Docs and what their contents are? My current workplace seems to be running on the mantra of "do first, document later... make that never" and I'm trying to change it by stressting high-quality documentations and clearly documented requirements.

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by fukmbas » Wed, May 19, 2021, 3:54 AM UTC

vbtemp wrote: post #18

peter_l_downs wrote: post #2

In my experience, Stripe is full of very smart, interesting people, but most of what's described here is an aspirational view of how the current executives think product should work at Stripe. That's OK, in some sense any view of the "self" is going to be aspirational, but it seems naive/koolaidy to believe that all of the following things can be true at the same time (these are all quotes from the article): - "it’s…

Am I alone here in feeling like that all sounds incredibly exhausting and like a pretty draining place to work, and not-so-subtly seeks to attract workaholics? It's like there's lip-service to things that we as software engineers enjoy about our profession (eg craftsmanship, deep thinking, high-quality work), but it comes across as just throat clearing before hammering in "moving very, very fast". I read that constan…

Get used to it because with product+agile that is how everything is going. Bunch of MBA middlemen trying to make your hour as productive as possible for the product. You get little say in your day to day, constantly managed and keeping admin productivity sites up to date so they can allocate you for what they see fit. RIP tech jobs, enjoy it while you can.

Re: Building Products at Stripe

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Post by mikeortman » Wed, May 19, 2021, 4:19 AM UTC

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #19

vbtemp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I alone here in feeling like that all sounds incredibly exhausting and like a pretty draining place to work, and not-so-subtly seeks to attract workaholics? It's like there's lip-service to things that we as software engineers enjoy about our profession (eg craftsmanship, deep thinking, high-quality work), but it comes across as just throat clearing before hammering in "moving very, very fast". I read that constan…

> Am I alone here in feeling like that all sounds incredibly exhausting and like a pretty draining place to work, and not-so-subtly seeks to attract workaholics? Yes, but if someone loves what they do why wouldn't they want to immerse themselves in it and get paid well for it?

How to burnout 101. Setting an unrealistic performance expectation by doing what you love is fine, but that expectation won’t cease once you are asked to do something uninteresting or frustrating.