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Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by sylvinus » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 4:10 PM UTC

josegonzalez wrote: post #19

sylvinus wrote: post #11

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Thanks! Here's the github link while we activate the cache on the server: https://github.com/joshfire/joshfire-framework This was released 2 days ago so yes it's still very rough around the edges! It's currently GPL but there's also a free MIT-like commercial license that applies if you're not an OEM. So no problems for most projects. Any other feedback is welcomed :)

Why have two licenses? Why not just MIT?

very simple, because as a company we'd like for manufacturers (think Samsung or LG) to come to us for licensing if they want to release a device using the framework.

That business plan allows us to avoid dicking around with developers like others do (we're on github, we don't try to obfuscate anything in order to sell "support") while still being able to make real money.

opinions on this position for an open source editor are welcome! we're still young :)

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by randall » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 4:15 PM UTC

I'm maybe a bit more n00bish than most, but I don't get the usecase, and the examples don't really explain it either. Anyone want to enlighten me? Is it just a way of writing an app in JS, and having something else translate it for whichever platform its on?

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by sylvinus » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 4:52 PM UTC

randall wrote: post #22

I'm maybe a bit more n00bish than most, but I don't get the usecase, and the examples don't really explain it either. Anyone want to enlighten me? Is it just a way of writing an app in JS, and having something else translate it for whichever platform its on?

yes it's writing an app in JS in a way that's portable and that can use device-specific implementations of both UI Components (video for instance) and input methods (touch/mouse/keyboards/http/...)

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by naner » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 4:59 PM UTC

possibilistic wrote: post #10

Everybody, just a friendly reminder not to be too harsh on these guys. They are putting their stuff out in the open for others to use, so if you find faults offer some positive feedback and encouragement. Your website is obviously getting hammered right now, so I couldn't really read it. It does seem somewhat inaccessible, though. I did manage to get to your github and the first thing that struck me was that your pro…

I did manage to get to your github and the first thing that struck me was that your project is GPL. Could you guys consider something else? It's viral, and not everyone can license their projects under that. Maybe LGPL?

What is the scenario where this framework being GPL is a problem? And how would LGPL fix it? Is there something to link against?

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by dstein » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 5:08 PM UTC

babel17 wrote: post #17

I wished I could wish you good luck, but more Javascript is a just a big step in the wrong direction :-) The good thing about Javascript is that it is sort of functional, but it gets so many things wrong...

What's the right direction?

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by babel17 » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 5:39 PM UTC

dstein wrote: post #25

babel17 wrote: post #17

I wished I could wish you good luck, but more Javascript is a just a big step in the wrong direction :-) The good thing about Javascript is that it is sort of functional, but it gets so many things wrong...

What's the right direction?

http://www.babel-17.com

This is the right direction. But definitely not where the momentum is :-D

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by dstein » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 5:59 PM UTC

babel17 wrote: post #26

dstein wrote: post #25

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What's the right direction?

http://www.babel-17.com This is the right direction. But definitely not where the momentum is :-D

You're comparing apples to oranges. New programming languages are great, but it's a very different problem domain than web UI interfaces.

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by jasongullickson » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 6:05 PM UTC

babel17 wrote: post #26

dstein wrote: post #25

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What's the right direction?

http://www.babel-17.com This is the right direction. But definitely not where the momentum is :-D

Let us know when we can run Babel-17 in most major (mobile and desktop) browsers.

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by Hisoka » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 6:38 PM UTC

Can I write in Javascript and your framework will convert it to a native iPhone app? If so, I'm gonna spread the word to my followers and make sure everyone at least tries this

Re: The first open source multi-device development framework.

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Post by mshron » Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 7:47 PM UTC

Hisoka wrote: post #29

Can I write in Javascript and your framework will convert it to a native iPhone app? If so, I'm gonna spread the word to my followers and make sure everyone at least tries this

There is such a project already, called PhoneGap: http://www.phonegap.com/