Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought was actually mattered was hospitalizations and deaths. Why is measuring infections relevant?
The primary goal is to not contract covid-19.
So what is an appropriate amount of cases to go back to normal?
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In the future skip to the part where that was retracted. https://people.com/health/vaccinated-people-do-not-appear-ca...
At least I was right about the CDC lacking credibility.
Yes, but you also said a wrong thing. Therefore you lack credibility and nobody should ever listen to you again.
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#24Vaccines still aren't 100%. This is bad advice from the CDC. It will only lead to anti-masker/vaxxers using this as an excuse for not wearing a mask. Even the fully vaccinated should be wearing a mask around other people. 94%/97% is not 100%. edit: Japan is a good example for how masks have drastically reduced the number of infected due to mask culture. Japan has half the US population and still isn't vaccinating the…
No.
The continual insistence by some - many in prominent leadership positions - that nothing changes after you get vaccinated is what was hurting confidence that the vaccine works. If it works, why would I have to act like it doesn't? People can make their own judgements about their personal risk, but I'm not waiting until some arbitrary effectivity point (99%? 99.9%? 99.99%?) to go back to normal. I'll be in the gym tonight for 2 hours without a mask for the first time in well over a year.
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That is great. But still, vaccinated people shouldn't be told that they cannot get infected. There is this weird misconception floating around that just because we get vaccinated we are somehow immune to covid-19. That is a dangerous and misguided belief.
The CDC, FDA, governments, etc have said constantly that the vaccines have a 90-95% efficacy rate. Anyone who somehow interpreted that as "completely immune" has bad reading comprehension. This sounds like a strawman argument that you're making, I don't know where you're getting that there's a misconception of the vaccine equating to 100% immunity. No one said that.
Right now the primary question is about the comprehension, or lack of same, on the part of anti-vaxers. The actual truth about infections is almost completely irrelevant here. The question is, what tactic will keep us all safest when the primary threat comes from people who are clinically stupid?
That's purely a psychology question, and I honestly don't know what the answer is. But it's worth noting that it's pretty much all about strawmen, and which strawmen the anti-vax crowd can be manipulated into believing.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#26Vaccines still aren't 100%. This is bad advice from the CDC. It will only lead to anti-masker/vaxxers using this as an excuse for not wearing a mask. Even the fully vaccinated should be wearing a mask around other people. 94%/97% is not 100%. edit: Japan is a good example for how masks have drastically reduced the number of infected due to mask culture. Japan has half the US population and still isn't vaccinating the…
No. The continual insistence by some - many in prominent leadership positions - that nothing changes after you get vaccinated is what was hurting confidence that the vaccine works. If it works, why would I have to act like it doesn't? People can make their own judgements about their personal risk, but I'm not waiting until some arbitrary effectivity point (99%? 99.9%? 99.99%?) to go back to normal. I'll be in the gym…
Cool
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#27I’ve been in the US throughout this pandemic, and I’ve had to take it extremely seriously because of vulnerable people I live with. I’m glad to be vaccinated and for my life (and my family’s) to be returning to normal. I expect that I’ll continue wearing a mask from time to time even years from now if it becomes socially acceptable, because I like both the anonymity, and the wonders it does for my seasonal allergies.…
This is entirely based on where you live. There's places in the US where the vast majority never wore a mask, and going to the store without a mask was the more "normal" thing to do.
In those places you're almost sending more of a message by wearing a mask.
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So what is an appropriate amount of cases to go back to normal?
Personally I will keep wearing a mask around other people until we eradicate it or find a 100% preventive vaccine. So decades for me.
Were you wearing a mask in 2019? Because influenza killed thousands of people that year, and we didn't have a 100% preventative vaccine.
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So what is an appropriate amount of cases to go back to normal?
Personally I will keep wearing a mask around other people until we eradicate it or find a 100% preventive vaccine. So decades for me.
That's your choice but note that your choice is not based in science or statistics. Statistically if you're vaccinated you will not die. You won't even get severe Covid. That's even if you get Covid in the first place which would be very hard. If you want to wear a mask as a fashion statement or virtue signaling then that's fine.