Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V • Hacker News Board

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by waddlesplash » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

dejv wrote: post #19

nerdponx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could this kind of technology also one day make its way to consumer laptops? It seems like low-end computers are still so damn expensive for how shitty they are. I feel like I get more bang for my buck with a Lenovo x220 + a fresh SSD + a 8GB RAM upgrade (running Xubuntu, Mint XFCE, et al) than any new low/mid-market laptop.

Haiku is lacking full featured web browser like Chromium or Firefox. They do have some basic browser available, but its capability is very limited.

There is no technical reason one could not port Chromium or Firefox at this point; it's simply that nobody has put the time in to do it (as you can imagine, porting a web browser is not an easy task.)

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by ulzeraj » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

waddlesplash wrote: post #8

ulzeraj wrote: post #7

It doesn't look like there is an obvious download link (or I'm too dumb to locate it). b̶u̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶b̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶:̶ ̶h̶t̶t̶p̶s̶:̶/̶/̶d̶o̶w̶n̶l̶o̶a̶d̶.̶h̶a̶i̶k̶u̶-̶o̶s̶.̶o̶r̶g̶/̶n̶i̶g̶h̶t̶l̶y̶-̶i̶m̶a̶g̶e̶s̶/̶r̶i̶s̶c̶v̶6̶4̶/̶ Please refer to waddlesplash's reply. I guess you can try it on Qemu. Might test it later. UTM offers "Risc-V Spike board" among others.

The screenshots in the linked thread come from an out-of-tree development branch; the "official" nightly builds do not contain any of this work yet. There is a download link in the thread for one of the test builds. It probably will not work on anything besides a VM, though.

Thats right using the nightly build I had a black screen from every machine combination I've tried on Qemu.

Does Haiku features a serial console?

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by diegocg » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #14

smallstepforman wrote: post #12

Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems, since it’s designed as a single user low latency unified system. As the technology stack is unified (from the higher level user space to low level kernel), with a unified desktop environment, unified IPC mechanism, unified file system, unified audio and media system etc, it allows system builders to make lean embedded applications and tools. Case in point - the Medo medi…

Could this kind of technology also one day make its way to consumer laptops? It seems like low-end computers are still so damn expensive for how shitty they are. I feel like I get more bang for my buck with a Lenovo x220 + a fresh SSD + a 8GB RAM upgrade (running Xubuntu, Mint XFCE, et al) than any new low/mid-market laptop.

They don't have any kind of advanced power management, which is a requirement for laptops

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by unwind » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

davidcollantes wrote: post #4

hestefisk wrote: post #2

Love this and love the idea of having a RISC based workstation as my daily driver. Any suggestions on where to buy it ?

Beagle ( https://beaglev.seeed.cc ).

Wow, getting Haiku on a board like that with proper "tight" hardware driver support would be so cool! Makes me think of the original BeBox and how much I wanted one. It, too, was dual-core! :)

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by Symmetry » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

retrac wrote: post #18

emouryto wrote: post #13

This is very neat. Though, I still don't have an ARM workstation... Will we leap-frog to RISC-V workstations in a few years? I guess that new Apple M1 ARM would count but I have yet to get one.

It seems more likely RISC-V will displace ARM on the low-end where margins on things like licencing are the tightest. There are already high performance ARM designs for servers in particular, and that's more applicable to desktops than any RISC-V chip currently available. X86 will give them both a run for their money but it no longer seems completely obvious that everything hefty will still be running on x86 five or…

Also, RISC-V's "Choose the features you want to implement" system is a big advantage rather than a disadvantage in the embedded world.

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by xrd » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:11 PM UTC

What does this step really mean? Is HaikuOS usable as a daily desktop environment? Can you use all/some/? Linux applications on it?

I'm really excited about using an ARM based laptop at some point but not sure if the Linux stack will work on it. Is this the same problem lots of Mac software wouldn't run on the M1 at first?

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by scythe » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

smallstepforman wrote: post #12

Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems, since it’s designed as a single user low latency unified system. As the technology stack is unified (from the higher level user space to low level kernel), with a unified desktop environment, unified IPC mechanism, unified file system, unified audio and media system etc, it allows system builders to make lean embedded applications and tools. Case in point - the Medo medi…

Sounds like it would be interesting for a small-form-factor not-so-smart phone that's still hackable and versatile.

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by garaetjjte » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

smallstepforman wrote: post #12

Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems, since it’s designed as a single user low latency unified system. As the technology stack is unified (from the higher level user space to low level kernel), with a unified desktop environment, unified IPC mechanism, unified file system, unified audio and media system etc, it allows system builders to make lean embedded applications and tools. Case in point - the Medo medi…

>Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems

Well, except there's no accelerated graphics driver (for any device) :(

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by dleslie » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

dejv wrote: post #19

nerdponx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could this kind of technology also one day make its way to consumer laptops? It seems like low-end computers are still so damn expensive for how shitty they are. I feel like I get more bang for my buck with a Lenovo x220 + a fresh SSD + a 8GB RAM upgrade (running Xubuntu, Mint XFCE, et al) than any new low/mid-market laptop.

Haiku is lacking full featured web browser like Chromium or Firefox. They do have some basic browser available, but its capability is very limited.

Honestly, as someone who uses Haiku casually I find the absence of a beastly browser to be a feature. There _is_ a browser, one featureful enough to read Wiki and such, but not featureful enough to blow away hours and hours on Javascript-heavy social web applications.

Re: Haiku OS ported and running on RISC-V

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Post by dleslie » Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

garaetjjte wrote: post #28

smallstepforman wrote: post #12

Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems, since it’s designed as a single user low latency unified system. As the technology stack is unified (from the higher level user space to low level kernel), with a unified desktop environment, unified IPC mechanism, unified file system, unified audio and media system etc, it allows system builders to make lean embedded applications and tools. Case in point - the Medo medi…

>Haiku is ideal for embedded graphical systems Well, except there's no accelerated graphics driver (for any device) :(

For the apps it has this doesn't seem to matter; not everything needs pixel shaders to be performant.