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Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month That's 4-6 valid messages a month the average user will never see.

I disagree, I think "check your spam" is fairly widely understood.

GGP's point is that in some circumstances, Gmail will simply disappear emails, with no trace, instead of quarantining them.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.

You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.

This isn’t universally true, although your broader point (it could change at any time!) is a risk.

As a data point, I have run my own email servers for years. Both professionally (couple million transactional emails per year) and for my personal.

If you follow best practices (which is a pain to setup!), deliver ability is generally on par with other providers, unless you got unlucky and got a bad IP.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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post #3

I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I haven't used email outside of work for many years now, and don't miss it one bit. And even at work most communication now happens on Slack. The digital world has evolved since 1997, and email simply hasn't kept up. I skimmed a couple articles on the blog and my biggest problem with it is that the author is making a social rather than technological argument (which are a…

I'm with you, I absolutely cannot stand using email unless I absolutely have to, which is mostly just at work.

And it's a fine way for government or businesses to contact me, just like mail was.

But just like mail letter writing declined after the invention of the telephone, e-mail has declined after the invention of IM

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I want to point out something from one of the articles which is so far from the truth that it somewhat undercuts the authors credibility:

> For instance, if WhatsApp goes down, not only can you not send/receive messages, you won’t be able to see your old ones, and no one else on your network will be able to either. You could argue that a single email provider has the same effect, but you’d be wrong. If Gmail goes down, I can still send emails to Gmail recipients and I can still see past messages from Gmail users.

Obviously you will be able to see all your WhatsApp messages when WhatsApp goes down. The same is true for Facebook Messenger and many other applications, because everything is saved locally. It's even possible to send WhatsApp messages while being offline which will then be delivered later on.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I'd disagree. E-Mail is useful for invoices, customer contact, first point of contact or 2nd point of contact if someone tried to reach out per Facebook etc. and a serious business relation needs to be formed. However at work we switched to Slack a while back and it was such a relieve! Trying to organize projects per mail was just horrible. Especially when you got non technical staff involved that doesn't correctly forward or answer email and uses reply-all and reply interchangeably, or switches between personal and shared accounts without noticing it. Slack is not perfect but for us it did the job and still does.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give you an up-vote because I think a variety of different viewpoints is important, but I'm very much in the e-mail camp. My biggest reason is simply: it's the only ubiquitous, decentralized, open protocol that I can think of. I can run my own server if I want, an I can interact with anybody with an e-mail address . Sure, there was XMPP for IM, but that doesn't have wide adoption; same with other protocols.

You really can't run your on email server nowadays though, you need to have been running one for several decades otherwise the email common email providers(gmail, outlook) will automatically just assume its spam. Also due to the way extensions added to the email protocol configuring and learning how to properly configure it so it gets accepted will be a dayjob.

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Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Gmail alone currently handles over 50% of US email traffic, with Microsoft and a handful of other service providers taking up a good chunk of the other half. These large providers all use internal blacklists and filtering rules, which cannot be queried, and no support is available if you get blackholed. Worst of all, Gmail especially isn't great about tagging messages as spam; a good chunk of messages sent from outsi…

I run my own email server. The most important people in my life have accounts on my own server. No gmail needed or wanted. I can answer all of those questions of delivery for myself. We get so much spam from gmail that gmail has earned itself an increased spam score just because its gmail. Its unlikely that my users see much from gmail, unless they want it.

Yeah, that was my experience too as a mail server admin.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

#28

I love this idea - I am so totally uninterested when yet another forum/IM solution is suggested to me. email works and (most) everyone has it. The last thing I want to do is install yet another client app or sign-up to some online website app. Enough already!

> (most) everyone

Email is hardly a thing in India for general use. One of my interns hates email so much that he built a bot which IMs him the contents of his email to Telegram.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> perhaps 4-6 false positives in the spam folder a month That's 4-6 valid messages a month the average user will never see.

I disagree, I think "check your spam" is fairly widely understood.

It is not.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

#30
post #5

I don't think this kind of Luddism is useful. It's purported by the same kinds of people that, upon seeing a new SaaS, quickly retort: "couldn't you just do that with Google Docs/Word/pen and paper?" Not to mention that email absolutely sucks . The confusing threads, the forwarding, the constant CC'ing, someone making it or not making it into a list, the spam. It's absolute garbage. In fact, people have been seeking…

> Not to mention that email absolutely sucks. The confusing threads, the forwarding, the constant CC'ing, someone making it or not making it into a list, the spam. It's absolute garbage.

This says to me that you have bad tools for email, not that the protocol or concept sucks.

If you use email like a rube, it is expected to be absolute garbage. The same goes for Facebook or Twitter or Reddit, though: you have to change a lot of settings to get a decent experience.

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