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Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by lovskogen »

huhtenberg wrote: post #18
zeddez wrote: post #17

Some of the most interesting work is only hinted at in the blog. IE 10 PP2 now leads on EcmaScript standards conformance. IE 10 only fails 7 tests compared to 200 for Firefox 5 out of a total of 10000 tests. I don't use Opera, but according to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript Opera lags the other browser and fails 3000 tests. Does anyone have Opera and willing to run the conformance test here: http:/…

FF5 is a production release, IE10 is a "platform preview". Not exactly a fair comparison.

Then FF5 should fail less of the tests, right? Since a production release should be more stable than a platform preview?

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Post by [deleted] »

sliverstorm wrote: post #8
kenjackson wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that those four items you mentioned I think would make IE10 a very competent browser. Do you have any idea how hard they each are to implememnt (since they've all been implemented in existing browsers)? Regarding XP support -- I hope they never support it. I really wish the OS would go away. They do support WebM today, just install the codec. Presumably if you have Chrome on your machine, WebM will work with…

Agreed on XP. It's just a complete dead-end waste of effort at this point. XP is already 11 years old, and two major releases have happened since. Even RHEL2 is newer! It was plenty good 6 years ago, but time marches on.

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Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by dave1010uk »

sliverstorm wrote: post #8
kenjackson wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that those four items you mentioned I think would make IE10 a very competent browser. Do you have any idea how hard they each are to implememnt (since they've all been implemented in existing browsers)? Regarding XP support -- I hope they never support it. I really wish the OS would go away. They do support WebM today, just install the codec. Presumably if you have Chrome on your machine, WebM will work with…

Agreed on XP. It's just a complete dead-end waste of effort at this point. XP is already 11 years old, and two major releases have happened since. Even RHEL2 is newer! It was plenty good 6 years ago, but time marches on.

My problem with IE9+ not supporting XP is that XP users (still a fairly large % of visitors) will still be on IE8. Some of them can manually upgrade to a newer OS or a different browser but many will be "stuck" for a few more years. Even if IE10 was released today and (perfectly) supported more web technologies than Firefox and Chrome combined then IE would still be my biggest problem in front-end development.

Microsoft have (likely) spend millions on getting XP users to upgrade to Vista / 7. Releasing IE9 / IE10 for XP seems to be the most feasible way to upgrade these IE8 users. An upgrade to Windows 7 through Windows Update isn't going to happen and I can't imagine MS bundling a 3rd party browser to replace IE8 on XP.

Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by dave1010uk »

rkalla wrote: post #7

Big win here (for me) was the File API finally got added so you can do DnD uploads now. IE has actually supported the DnD API for a while now, but didn't have the File API component to make the upload happen. Rendering speed didn't seem much different than 9 and slower than Chrome 12 for me; not by much though. Now adays it seems all these browsers are rendering at insane speeds given what they could barely pull off…

Just curious: what do you get from the DnD API that you don't get from an [input type="file"]? Is it just the flexibility in design?

I know a few (non-technical) people who are happy using a "choose file" dialog but would really struggle performing a drag and drop: opening Explorer, navigating to a folder, resizing Explorer and the browser so they're both visible on the screen (even fewer people know you can drag files to the task bar to activate another window) and then dragging files to the drop target.

Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by zeddez »

huhtenberg wrote: post #18
zeddez wrote: post #17

Some of the most interesting work is only hinted at in the blog. IE 10 PP2 now leads on EcmaScript standards conformance. IE 10 only fails 7 tests compared to 200 for Firefox 5 out of a total of 10000 tests. I don't use Opera, but according to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript Opera lags the other browser and fails 3000 tests. Does anyone have Opera and willing to run the conformance test here: http:/…

FF5 is a production release, IE10 is a "platform preview". Not exactly a fair comparison.

That's a good point. It would be interesting to get a read on the latest Aurora builds. I might install it and do it later today.

Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by zeddez »

lmkg wrote: post #19
zeddez wrote: post #17

Some of the most interesting work is only hinted at in the blog. IE 10 PP2 now leads on EcmaScript standards conformance. IE 10 only fails 7 tests compared to 200 for Firefox 5 out of a total of 10000 tests. I don't use Opera, but according to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript Opera lags the other browser and fails 3000 tests. Does anyone have Opera and willing to run the conformance test here: http:/…

Opera version 11.50 (most recent) on Win7: Tests To Run: 10935 | Total Tests Ran: 10935 | Pass: 7061 | Fail: 3874 | Failed To Load: 66 The fast majority (80%) of the error log appears to be in section 15.2.3, with half of the rest also being in section 15. This would imply that around 1/3 of the entire test suite is just in that section of the specification; as the test itself describes, its coverage is currently inc…

I was pretty certain that Opera's reported score couldn't be that bad. I am definitely very suprised.

Overall, I have to say, I am a huge fan of having these thorough tests come to web standards. So that browsers can't just say "We support HTML5". I am really tired of the buzzword nature of standards recently. Hopefully, this will get all browsers to step up their game.

Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by joenathan »

zeddez wrote: post #26
huhtenberg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FF5 is a production release, IE10 is a "platform preview". Not exactly a fair comparison.

That's a good point. It would be interesting to get a read on the latest Aurora builds. I might install it and do it later today.

I can help with that, I am running Nightly 7.0a1 (2011-06-29) My results: Tests To Run: 10935 | Total Tests Ran: 10935 | Pass: 10732 | Fail: 203 | Failed To Load: 0

Re: IE10 Platform Preview 2 Released

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Post by mdaniel »

I really love the "selectable rendering engine" in the menus. It is a bit quirky when trying to switch back and forth, but seems to switch okay from the one used to render the page into the one of your choosing.

Also, it was via this release that I learned about the .exe.local directory. There is a "iepreview.exe.local" directory which evidently supersedes the DLL search path (and that is probably how they are able to package all the render engines in a "live" copy of Windows).

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